This is the best plane for newbies(P-51)

[terracota]

yeah! IMHO the P-51 is the plane for us the newbies not the spit's ,here I go with the (why's):

1)Is one of the faster planes we have here and this means that when you see that the combat is not at your way you can run like hell or extend very fast, I dont care that pepople calls me  a scarry girl or a runstang in real life I think the pilots first fell is to survive not to be a heroe and this makes my fly more real  
 - in the spits you must have to figth or die

2) in the shots department we newbies have aiming problems and the P-51 have 6 weapons and the spit just 4 this means more bullets and a biger spray. ok the hispanos of the spits are stronger but we dont need strong weapons we need a lot of weaponsto to shotdown somebody.

3) in the p-51 if I have the care to dont pull to many g's I have more options (figth or run) and in the spits if you dont pull high g's you can be catched by any plane, and when you pull a lot of g's you loose E quikly and u cant run and you are dead.

4) you can fly a lot with 75% gas and this means you dont have to landing to much we newbies make a lot of mistakes when landing  

5) I think the p-51 have the best rear view of all the planes we have here and we can make evassive maneuvers better , the expert pilots nows other tricks if they dont fly a good rear view plane like a HOG we dont now any  

well this is just what I feel maybe I'm wrong , maybe some good P-51 pilot can comment here and tell me if I'm wrong .

any help or comment I really will apprecite
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[Ripsnort]

"Anytime you can engage, and disengage  the enemy at your leisure, you have won 1/2 the battle..."

That equates P51 in my mind.

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[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 07-11-2000).]

[Spatula]

   

Originally posted by terracota:
...IMHO the P-51 is the plane for us the newbies...

Not sure about being for newbies, but it is a very capable plane if flown correctly. And you list the reasons why nicely.

   

1)Is one of the faster planes we have here and this means that when you see that the combat is not at your way you can run like hell or extend very fast, I dont care that pepople calls me  a scarry girl or a runstang in real life I think the pilots first fell is to survive not to be a heroe and this makes my fly more real      
 - in the spits you must have to figth or die

Exactly why i stopped flying spitfires. Also the speed is your best offensive ability as well as your best defensive ability. Keep you speed well up and you can dictate the fight. Get slow and your dead.


   

2) in the shots department we newbies have aiming problems and the P-51 have 6 weapons and the spit just 4 this means more bullets and a biger spray. ok the hispanos of the spits are stronger but we dont need strong weapons we need a lot of weaponsto to shotdown somebody.

You need good firepower. 6 50s can bring anything down. Smaller calibre guns mean you tend to get more ammo which means you dont have to so carefull conserving it     and a faster ROF (which means more lead should hit target). and they fly alot straighter.

   

3) in the p-51 if I have the care to dont pull to many g's I have more options (figth or run) and in the spits if you dont pull high g's you can be catched by any plane, and when you pull a lot of g's you loose E quikly and u cant run and you are dead.

The biggest mistake people make moving from the spit to a mustang is they still try fly it like a spitfire. I did...


   

4) you can fly a lot with 75% gas and this means you dont have to landing to much we newbies make a lot of mistakes when landing      

Take 50% (or even 25%) and drop tanks then drop ya tanks when you get to the combat zone that gives you more options and longer flight time if ya need it and to be fairly light once in combat.


   

5) I think the p-51 have the best rear view of all the planes we have here and we can make evassive maneuvers better , the expert pilots nows other tricks if they dont fly a good rear view plane like a HOG we dont now any      

It has probably the best all round view in the game.

Just keep ya speed well up and be very gentle on the stick to keep your speed. Use ya speed to your advantage.

IMO i think the stang is unbeatable if flown right. (i can't be flying it right then...     ) Tis my fav ride by a long shot.


Spat.


[This message has been edited by Spatula (edited 07-11-2000).]

[jmccaul]

The problem is for newbies the most natural way to fight is to turn, even experienced pilots have a hard time resisting this when they no they shouldn't imagine now for newbies who don't even no there's another way of fighting other than turning as tightly as possible. Hence i don't believe P51 is the best newbie plane but it is probably the best intermediate plane.

[RAM]

Ooooooooooookay...leeeets rumble!  

 

Originally posted by terracota:
yeah! IMHO the P-51 is the plane for us the newbies not the spit's ,here I go with the (why's):

1)Is one of the faster planes we have here and this means that when you see that the combat is not at your way you can run like hell or extend very fast, I dont care that pepople calls me  a scarry girl or a runstang in real life I think the pilots first fell is to survive not to be a heroe and this makes my fly more real  
 - in the spits you must have to figth or die

And your run ends when a 109G10 runs after you...faster  
No, seriously, dont feel so confortable with the speed matter. Munstang is fast, yes...but up to 7K typhoon is faster and G10 drives it to the hell at all altitudes  
Also, it accelerates slow so sometimes you simply cant run away  
 

2) in the shots department we newbies have aiming problems and the P-51 have 6 weapons and the spit just 4 this means more bullets and a biger spray. ok the hispanos of the spits are stronger but we dont need strong weapons we need a lot of weaponsto to shotdown somebody.

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Hehehee....for me P38 and P47 are best in this regard   And when you get the touch, the Fw190A8's 4x20mm arent so hard to aim  

I wont say a single word about the hog's turbolasers.

 

3) in the p-51 if I have the care to dont pull to many g's I have more options (figth or run) and in the spits if you dont pull high g's you can be catched by any plane, and when you pull a lot of g's you loose E quikly and u cant run and you are dead.

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Sorry terracota here you are quite wrong.I've alwas wondered why the SpitIX is SO dweebly flown in main arena...if you dont pull too much Gs in a Spitfire you keep your E better than P51. SpitfireIX is the ultimate energy fighter...but its high speed is limited. Anyway if you dive (spitfires are one the best divers in AH) and then pull a low G recovery to zoom away you'd be amazed how it keeps its speed up.
It can TnB, yes. It cant run away in a straight line,yes.
BUt still is the ultimate E-fighter (dont confuse E-fighting with BnZ).

 

4) you can fly a lot with 75% gas and this means you dont have to landing to much we newbies make a lot of mistakes when landing  

Lol... agree  
 

5) I think the p-51 have the best rear view of all the planes we have here and we can make evassive maneuvers better , the expert pilots nows other tricks if they dont fly a good rear view plane like a HOG we dont now any  

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huh? Hawg's 6 views are quite good if you set them well.
For me the best visibility is typhoon's...but for sure P51's is rightly nice.

Just some thoughts.

Terracota, I strongly suggest you giving a try to the P38. It has some tricks in its handling, but if you fly it as you say you fly a P51, you'd be surprised...also remember that you cant dive very well and that is not so fast as the P51.

Just try it, if you need some help in it, as always, feel free to give me a yell  

[humble]

Interesting thread, I'm not sure that there is a "correct" answer but I'll put my 2 cents in.

The single most dominating plane so far is the 109 G10...it's also the hardest plane to master.

The P51 is an outstanding ride...but without the brute power,climb or acceleration of the G10 it's more limited...you need to fly the pony right.

Truthfully, all the planes in AH are deadly in the right hands. To me the 3 planes I reccommend for learning are the 109F4, Nikki and 205. The 109F4 encourages proper tactics and  E managment while providing a reasonable turn rate and outstanding rudder authority. The Nikki is simply the sweetest little plane in the game (till hurricane shows up) it also has all the attributes above plus a nice punch and large ammo load.
The 205 also fits this mold...the real issue is what you seek to learn...ACM is the heart and sole of a flight sim, if you don't aspire in that direction I feel your missing alot of the fun.

Win or lose there's nothing like a well fought 1 on 1 ...or 1 on 2,3. Beyond that you hit gangbanging  (my opinion).

As an example I had some great fights last night with TOWD...ponys,yaks,109's and A-5's all fought up down and around. Don't worry bout the plane, and don't worry bout living or running...learn to fight one plane at a time till your reasonably comfortable with it.

[terracota]

Well thank's to all for the help, yeah I now I maybe wrong in some things thats why I post this thread, to see what you guys think
and RAM thank's for the help if I see you in TA I will yield you  
p-38 well maybe is good but I dont like it, and I want to fly  a plane that I like  , thats why I dont fly any luftwafee plane niki I fell like I'm inside a bus  
I dont now why but I now there's more planes with better speed ect. tham the ponny but I fell some seccurity in this plane, maybe his rear view, I like the spit 9 this my second plane but I hate his rear view I tried all the settings and still dont like it .

Spatula: thanks for the advice I never think that of the drop tank's good very good tip thank's bro  

ok see ya all thanks to all for the advices

[humble]

The only problem with the spit for a beginner is the bad habits it generates. The real key is what you want to accomplish. The spit (or pony) may lead to greater initial success, but at what long term cost. A plane that provides a reasonably stable platform, good overall performance, and exposure to the fundementals of game (my only concern with 38) will pay a greater long term dividend (just my opinion). The more I think about it the more the 190 a5 comes up as well. Overall I'd still say nikki or 109F with the 205 a nice 3rd option. Once you go beyond learning...and your looking for the best MA plane...G10,pony,P47 and 190a5...my vote would be the P47...but in the end i'm a pony driver.

[RAM]

The best plane to learn in?

Fw190A8 with 4x20mm and 75% fuel.

And I mean it. After you master it (more or less) any other plane seems like a jet.

Of course you'll pay a high price in the meantime  

[jmccaul]

If your completley new you will 99 times out of 100 turnfight untill you are taught better then you will develop a style of fighting and probably start using a plane which best suits your style of fighting (or alternativley pick your favourite plane and adapt your style to it).

    So if your a rank newbie get a zeke or spit 5 but once you start fighting with tactics (even if they are TnB) one plane is bound to suit you more than others. The best plane for one isn't nessacarily the best for everyone.