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Offline flatiron1

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Horten Ho 229
« on: June 28, 2009, 09:03:06 PM »
special Germany' stealth fighter on National Geo TV tonight re-running at midnight EST
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 09:28:46 PM »
good show,it's amazing what they did with plywood :aok
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 10:53:53 AM »
Too bad Mossi was just as stealth....not to mention a few other planes.
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 11:14:44 AM »
Was also intersting that the germans flew NOE to avoid the radar in the channel.. :noid
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 11:16:37 AM »
Quote from: falcon23 on June 29, 2009, 11:14:44 AM
Was also intersting that the germans flew NOE to avoid the radar in the channel.. :noid

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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 06:50:59 PM »
Quote from: Strip on June 29, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Too bad Mossi was just as stealth....not to mention a few other planes.

Despite neither being designed as such....

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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 07:13:34 PM »
Quote from: Strip on June 29, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Too bad Mossi was just as stealth....not to mention a few other planes.

You would be very incorrect.  The Mossie wasn't stealthy were as the Ho 229 actually was and was intended to be from the start.  The design of the Ho 229 is an amazing story and the Horten brothers were definitely way ahead of their time.


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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 07:41:27 PM »
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 09:21:55 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on June 29, 2009, 07:13:34 PM
You would be very incorrect.  The Mossie wasn't stealthy were as the Ho 229 actually was and was intended to be from the start.  The design of the Ho 229 is an amazing story and the Horten brothers were definitely way ahead of their time.


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If you are saying that Ho 229 was more stealthy than the mossie, yes.  But i do recall hearing something that radar wasn't picking up mossie that well.
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Offline Bolo6

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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2009, 10:18:42 PM »
Ze Germans had radar? It couldn't have been very good.
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 10:21:59 PM »
Quote from: Bolo6 on June 29, 2009, 10:18:42 PM
Ze Germans had radar? It couldn't have been very good.

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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 12:33:50 PM »
Quote from: oakranger on June 29, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
If you are saying that Ho 229 was more stealthy than the mossie, yes.  But i do recall hearing something that radar wasn't picking up mossie that well.

IIRC, German radar had no troubles picking up the Mosquito.  Despite it's mostly plywood contstruction, it had a lot of metal parts that were easily picked up on radar.  The problem was the Mossie's speed that even though was detected on radar, hard to intercept.

Not the case with the Ho 229.  It was actually stealthy and designed that way from the outset which is incredible since radar was still basically in its infancy and these two brothers already had the idea on how to develop a radar stealthy aircraft.  Talk about being generations ahead of the Bell Curve.


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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 01:10:41 PM »
MiloMorai pointed out that in 41, chermans alredee noo ssat flying below 100 feet hid them from Engerland's rader.  The Horten was designed in 43-44 or so.  The Northrop Grumman team didn't put a 109 or 190 on their radar test prop.  So this'll probably keep the argument going for a while yet.

The truly cool thing, IMO, is NG saying the 229 could be used today with only minor changes.
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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 01:38:07 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on June 29, 2009, 07:13:34 PM
You would be very incorrect.  The Mossie wasn't stealthy were as the Ho 229 actually was and was intended to be from the start.  The design of the Ho 229 is an amazing story and the Horten brothers were definitely way ahead of their time.


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    I agree that it was ahead its time but I think the stealth abilities are over-rated. Those turbine blades make excellent relfectors and the engines themselves represent rather large pieces of metal. Opinions vary I guess but we will most likely never know.

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Re: Horten Ho 229
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 01:56:48 PM »
Quote from: Strip on June 29, 2009, 10:53:53 AM
Too bad Mossi was just as stealth....not to mention a few other planes.
It is a myth that the Mossie was in any way stealthy.  It was just very fast and hard to intercept.  The Germans could see that they were there just fine, just couldn't do anything about it.
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