Perked Bomber - I am at a loss...

[Nightmare]

Maybe you can perk the A-1 or AD-1 Skyraider
it was originally designed for WWII but it came just a little late

[Strip]

At the risk of being flamed you cant look past the B-29....

Its a bomber worth heavy perk and perhaps one of the few that belong perked.

B-29.... This plane belongs in the game at some point period, however, without the bomb.

A-26......perhaps and its perk price will be heavily debated.

Lancaster....with Grand Slam or Tall Boy but nothing over 4k is going to be in the game.

What else?

[Crash Orange]

A-26 is an "attack" aircraft.

It can just as well be used as a bomber, and given the hyper-accurate and easily calibrated bombsights we have I expect it would be used that way more than in an attack role.

And if added wouldn't need to be perked.

If added, it would make every other medium/high level bomber aside from the Lanc and the 234 obsolete. It has a superior combination of speed/power and carrying capacity to any medium bomber currently in the game, and the way we use bombers (usually shallow penetration with very brief radar warning) its speed would make it more survivable than a B-17 or B-24 with a bomb load in the same ballpark. It would have a significant impact on CV survivability. No one would fly anything else for a level bomber unless they needed torpedoes or 14k lbs. of bombs. IMHO that adds up to perk territory.

The A-26 would really tear up the arenas.

That is before it was taken down by any number of planes or gvs.

You can't kill what you can't catch, and no GV in the game can kill a bomber at 10k+.

Yup it would really upset the balance of gameplay.

Neither would unperking any other piston engine plane, in the sense you're talking about. But it would completely dominate its role, more than C-hogs or Spit XIVs would if unperked.

[Rich46yo]

I don't understand why the A26 should be perked for any reason other than that we "need" another perked bomber?

Speed and bombload. It was the fastest Yank bomber of the War. Your talking a 6,000lb bomb load with a top speed of about 360 mph. The A-26 was also able to be configured with up to 12 5" rockets on the wings and an internal 4,000lb bomb load.

So it was about 20 mph faster then the A-20, carried 2,000lb more ords, and was better protected with 2 2x0.50 gun turrets top and bottom, "as well as 6 in the nose". By all accounts it also had far better handling characteristics then the A-20 it replaced as well.

The 26 was able to carry 8 500 lb bombs in the bomb bay and an additional 4 500lb bombs on the wings. Just one, screaming in at 350 mph, would have enough ords to prep a base. VH, Ords bunkers, Dar. It would be murder on CV groups as well.

No, this thing would be a killer and deserving a light perk price. Oh, say in the range of 30 .

I gotta tellya. I took up 3 AR-234s last night and felt like ditching out of them 5 mins after I upped. Its old news. Its not very usefull and its old news. We desperatly need a new perk bomber.

[Strip]

You can't kill what you can't catch, and no GV in the game can kill a bomber at 10k+.

No bomber can kill a gv at that altitude either save a hail mary shot.....

[Spikes]

I've bombed GV's from 10-15K before

[BillyD]

He177A-5 Grief

LOL wasn't this the "flying lighter" cause it used to catch on fire all the twiddlen time? HTC would have a ball modelling that! It would be hilarious..... right after take off, flushin your perkies cause all the engines are burning LMFAO 

[moot]

Speed and bombload. It was the fastest Yank bomber of the War. Your talking a 6,000lb bomb load with a top speed of about 360 mph. The A-26 was also able to be configured with up to 12 5" rockets on the wings and an internal 4,000lb bomb load.

So it was about 20 mph faster then the A-20, carried 2,000lb more ords, and was better protected with 2 2x0.50 gun turrets top and bottom, "as well as 6 in the nose". By all accounts it also had far better handling characteristics then the A-20 it replaced as well.

The 26 was able to carry 8 500 lb bombs in the bomb bay and an additional 4 500lb bombs on the wings. Just one, screaming in at 350 mph, would have enough ords to prep a base. VH, Ords bunkers, Dar. It would be murder on CV groups as well.

No, this thing would be a killer and deserving a light perk price. Oh, say in the range of 30 .

I gotta tellya. I took up 3 AR-234s last night and felt like ditching out of them 5 mins after I upped. Its old news. Its not very usefull and its old news. We desperatly need a new perk bomber.

I can't see what would top the 234 as tactical blitz bomber.

[CAP1]

Ok... this isnt going in the Wishlist section, because it isnt a wish... yet. 

As you all know, the only perked bomber we currently have is the Ar234... which is only available in the LW arenas.  I have scoured the web and all my aircraft books looking for a bomber that is better than any of the ones we have now (leaving out the obvious "bomber that shall not be named lest little kitties and puppies be put to death" ) that would deserve being perked.

Everything I have seen is either what we already have, equivalent to what we already have, wasnt produced in enough numbers, or wasnt as good as what we have now... with the exception of ONE.  And even as an "in game" bomber pilot, I wouldn't want to see that one introduced.

So my question is this:  Is there a bomber out there.... SOMEWHERE.... that I have missed somehow.... that meets the criteria for inclusion in AH2... as a perked bomber... for ANY arena?    If there is, I havent found it.

Anyone, Anyone?.... Bueller?  Bueller?

i believe lancasters are perked in ew.

[Rich46yo]

I can't see what would top the 234 as tactical blitz bomber.

The problem with the 234 is hitting anything. Sure I can set it to warp 10 and scream in and take out a VH but its a lot harder turning to change your heading into a CV. In fact its hard turning any time, most of all with drones. Then if you slow it down it get hard to maintain calibration.

The bomb load leaves very little room for different missions as well. Not just that but very few fly them and its difficult building missions around them.

Oh no regrets. Its a fascinating airplane with a fascinating history. But it has turned into a Queen and we need new rides in the bomber hangar.

[Karnak]

LOL wasn't this the "flying lighter" cause it used to catch on fire all the twiddlen time?

Due to mechanical failures that would not be modeled in AH.

[A8TOOL]

I don't understand why the A26 should be perked for any reason other than that we "need" another perked bomber?

I would have said it that way too.

Perking it still would be nice and 30 is very reasonable as someone suggested.

I think we AH will get this plane in game at some point...just a matter of time.

[AKP]

The A-26 would be a nice addition to the game.  And if perked, you wouldnt see too many of them.  Especially, since the role they are designed primarily for, will but them in low altitude combat, and get them swarmed by every fighter that sees one. 

the A-26 packs more forward firepower than anything we have in game now (14 X .50 cals if you include the 8 in optional underwing pods + the 6 in the nose), and carries more ordinance than either the A-20 or the B-25 (either the H or the C in strafer configuration), its two closest comparisons we have in game.  And yes, its faster too.

Its introduction into service in 1943 could also place it into MW service, filling a gap that currently exists.

If the "bomber that shall not be named lest little kitties and puppies be put to death" were to be put into the game, it would most certainly go into the LW arena, where we already have a perked bomber.  That, and the 20,000 lb bombload per aircraft is reason enough to me to leave it out.

Oh... and to everyone that has pointed out to me that the Lancaster is perked in EW, yes... I admit I missed that.  My bad, I can count on one hand the number of times I have flown EW.  I should have looked at the EW aircraft before I posted.  But it still leaves us with a gap that needs to be filled.

[moot]

The problem with the 234 is hitting anything. Sure I can set it to warp 10 and scream in and take out a VH but its a lot harder turning to change your heading into a CV. In fact its hard turning any time, most of all with drones. Then if you slow it down it get hard to maintain calibration.

The bomb load leaves very little room for different missions as well. Not just that but very few fly them and its difficult building missions around them.

Oh no regrets. Its a fascinating airplane with a fascinating history. But it has turned into a Queen and we need new rides in the bomber hangar.

Calibration depends only on speed, right?  So if you calibrate at 300TAS, the sight will aim correctly regardless of your altitude and attitude?  If so, you can plan your run to be (e.g.) NOE up to a point where you pop up to a certain alt, throttle (if necessary) to a precise speed, and drop in very little time.  Calibrate at your target speed ahead of time, and practice offline a couple of times so that the pop-up hits just target speed just right.

[Rich46yo]

Calibration depends only on speed, right?  So if you calibrate at 300TAS, the sight will aim correctly regardless of your altitude and attitude?  If so, you can plan your run to be (e.g.) NOE up to a point where you pop up to a certain alt, throttle (if necessary) to a precise speed, and drop in very little time.  Calibrate at your target speed ahead of time, and practice offline a couple of times so that the pop-up hits just target speed just right.

Ive seen those kind of attacks and frankly they dont look very effective to me. That and it seems like a whole lot of adjustments with very little time to make errors. Maybe your good at it but I doubt I could ever be. Ive seen 234 attacks on CVs like that and they are certain suicide.

I guess maybe if you set auto-speed to 300 mph, hit alt/X while on the deck, and then hit X at the top of your arc right at 300 mph. Then, if you are able, maintain that speed, calibrate, and then drop. Of course 3 AR-234s coming over a CV at 3,000' would probably have a short and exciting life. I guess as long as your level bombing its not dweebish, tho I prefer surviving and flying home.

Maybe practicing and finding the exact manifold setting needed to maintain 300 mph would help. That way you wouldn't have to fumble as much.