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Offline Castle51

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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2009, 07:37:50 PM »
So, you're gonna climb to 30k in a TA-152 and just hang out up there, waiting to hopefully catch a b-29 only to get whacked by 1 20mm tater to the prop?


   I'm not exactly a historian but don't remember reading anything about the 8th air force giving the Luftwaffe a courtesy call telling them "Hey, we're gonna bomb some factory in Essen tomorrow around noon your time.  Just a friendly heads up Ol' chap..."

   So yes, if you we're planning on intercepting even MY group of B-17s which never bomb below 32k, your gonna have to do a little CAP or some other means of defeating a true bombing raid.  Think proactive instead of reactive for once in this game.

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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2009, 09:11:28 PM »
b29 is needed. I would say make it so you could only fly 1 at a time and perk that one very high like 500 for one plane. Or set the ord limit to a little more than the lancaster or something. It doesnt have to have a full load or even a historically correct load out. The imporant thing is to have the plane in the game.
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2009, 09:18:04 PM »
Explain to me again why it's 'needed"? 

Some folks clearly want it, but in terms of game play, it's hardly 'needed'
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2009, 09:44:58 PM »
Explain to me again why it's 'needed"? 

Some folks clearly want it, but in terms of game play, it's hardly 'needed'

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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2009, 10:10:38 PM »
He said explain, not post a number.
And I agree with Guppy, it is not needed.
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2009, 11:03:31 PM »
Explain to me again why it's 'needed"? 

Some folks clearly want it, but in terms of game play, it's hardly 'needed'

its needed just as much as we need all the variants of spits, and f4u's. Its needed as much as the 262, hell the 262 and 163, if we cant have the b29 then why the **** do when have the jet and rocket? Its needed as much as we need the I16 and brewster. Its a new plane and its a bomber (which we do not have many) and it will go great with some historical battles. You guys dont "want" it because you think its not needed and thats all the bomber guys would fly, when we all know for a fact thats not true, because then all the early war planes would never be flown but however they are flown as much as the late war planes are cause people like to fight challenging aircraft. In fact, half our list of planes currently is not really needed such as the mentioned above


and as in terms of gameplay...it would be freaky fun to fly...i would love it! and im sure all the bomber guys would too thats why gameplay wise its needed...cause its fun...on, guess what, a video game!

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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2009, 11:19:15 PM »
We have plenty of bombers. We have: A-20, Ar 234, B-17, B-24, B-25C, B-25H, B-26, Boston, B5N, D3A, Ju 87, Ju 88, Ki-67, Lanc, SBD, and TBM.
Try one
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2009, 11:31:56 PM »
We have plenty of bombers. We have: A-20, Ar 234, B-17, B-24, B-25C, B-25H, B-26, Boston, B5N, D3A, Ju 87, Ju 88, Ki-67, Lanc, SBD, and TBM.
Try one

16 bombers; Lets go to fighters now:
f4f-4, f4u-1, f4u-1a, f4u-1c, f4u-1d, f4u-4, f6f-5, fm2, p-38g,j,L, p-39d,q,p-40b,e,p-47d11,d25,d40,N, p-51b,d,hurricane mk 1, 2c,2d, mosquito, seafire, spit 1,5,8,9,14,16,tempest,typhoon,bf109e4,f4,g2,g6,g14,k4,bf110c4b,g2,fw190a5,a8,d9,f8,me163,262,ta152,c202,205,a6m2,5b,ki61, 84, n1k2, la5,la7,yak9t,u


60 fighters to 16 bombers, whats your point exactly? all im asking is why are you making the argument of that we dont need the 29, when we have the 163 and 262, 6 spit,109, and f4u varients, half of our fighter list is varients of the same aircraft, and not all are "needed"

so whats your argument?
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2009, 12:19:23 AM »
Flipperk,

Thing is, the B-29A (or H8K2) would take a much greater amount of developer work and it would be heavily restricted in use.  Instead of a B-29A HTC could probably do a Wellington Mk III, Do-217E and a Ki-43.

In addition it would only really be useful in scenarios that are extremely lopsided.


Should it be added eventually?  Yes.  But for now there are far better aircraft to add.

We do need more perk bombers, but that can be filled with the A-26 and/or Mosquito B.Mk XVI.

Other bombers that are needed or would be nice:

B6N2 'Jill'
B7A2 'Gracy'
D4Y2 'Judy'
Do217E
G4M2 'Betty'
Hampden Mk I
He111H-16
He177A-5
Ju188A-1
Mosquito B.Mk IV
P1Y1 Ginga 'Frances'
SB2C Helldiver
TBD Devastator
Wellington B.Mk III


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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2009, 12:39:35 AM »
its needed just as much as we need all the variants of spits, and f4u's. Its needed as much as the 262, hell the 262 and 163, if we cant have the b29 then why the **** do when have the jet and rocket? Its needed as much as we need the I16 and brewster. Its a new plane and its a bomber (which we do not have many) and it will go great with some historical battles. You guys dont "want" it because you think its not needed and thats all the bomber guys would fly, when we all know for a fact thats not true, because then all the early war planes would never be flown but however they are flown as much as the late war planes are cause people like to fight challenging aircraft. In fact, half our list of planes currently is not really needed such as the mentioned above


and as in terms of gameplay...it would be freaky fun to fly...i would love it! and im sure all the bomber guys would too thats why gameplay wise its needed...cause its fun...on, guess what, a video game!



What historical battles are we talking about?

You plan on flying from Tinian?  You going to haul your own fuel to your base in China, from India so you can go bomb Japan?  You going to fly night raids at low level with incendiaries to Tokyo? 

You going to ask that HTC flesh out the Japanese plane set so you have something to intercept your B29?  Seems like any number of Japanese birds would have to be done first.

How does it help the MA other then to give the bomber guys a faster way to kill a fight, suicide the hangers or the carrier?  What can you do with the 29 that you can't do with Lancs, 17s, 24s etc?
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2009, 06:55:37 AM »
See Rule #6
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2009, 09:36:47 AM »
The B29 is WAY larger that the regular bombers so the modelling is more difficult. That's more work.

The B29 would require new airfields and bomber hangars large enough to accommodate them. Current maps would need heavy modifications and a lot of testing. . That's more work.

The B29 would require the remote 20mm system which doesn't exist in AH, the ar234 needs it too. That's more work.

The B29 due to its HUGE loadout would require the HQ hardiness to be looked into, and a formation of them could level a large field easily, that needs to be looked into also. Gameplay balancing is very difficult. Thats more work.

That's a lot of work for a single perked plane while we could have a lot of new stuff for the same work time.

The B29 would be nearly impossible to intercept, and I'm not sure I want to see people that extract themselves from the regular gameplay and interact with other players just by killing their hangars while being untouchable.

I like the current deal with the lancaster having the most bombs and speed, and B17-24 having less bombs and speed but tons of guns. It worked for 10 years and its still good.

NO thanks.

Plus the B29 would be a hangar queen at the end.

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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2009, 09:59:17 AM »
The B29 due to its HUGE loadout would require the HQ hardiness to be looked into, and a formation of them could level a large field easily, that needs to be looked into also. Gameplay balancing is very difficult. Thats more work.

In the 2 years that I've been playing I've noticed that even when we do get close to an HQ the only people who want to bomb it are "squeakers" (keep in mind there are a few instances where that doesn't happen), and for some reason I up with them most of the time. You have nothing to worry about, none of them hit it and there was about 20 ppl there, they all went after the other buildings with it, no one knew that it was the tiny concrete square block. Almost none of them hit the other buildings either, so as far as I'm concerned, Bish don't pose a problem with HQ or with hangars etc. since the only people who know how to bomb are fighter jocks who won't waste their time bombing even if we get the B29.
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2009, 10:50:36 AM »
In the 2 years that I've been playing I've noticed that even when we do get close to an HQ the only people who want to bomb it are "squeakers" (keep in mind there are a few instances where that doesn't happen), and for some reason I up with them most of the time. You have nothing to worry about, none of them hit it and there was about 20 ppl there, they all went after the other buildings with it, no one knew that it was the tiny concrete square block. Almost none of them hit the other buildings either, so as far as I'm concerned, Bish don't pose a problem with HQ or with hangars etc. since the only people who know how to bomb are fighter jocks who won't waste their time bombing even if we get the B29.

Thats one more point for not having the B29  :aok

Except that the people that would be able to afford a B29 formation made these perks bombing, so they can bomb !
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Re: I would like the Super Fortress
« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2009, 11:36:08 AM »
I've bombed the HQ with a formation of Ki-67s just to get the Me163s to come up and play.
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