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Offline BigPlay

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Re: Mcnamara
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2009, 04:55:44 PM »
uhhhh....

robert mcnamara.  secretary of defense to kennedy and johnson.

architect of the Vietnam war.

hello?





Surprised he wasn't assassinated by some vet, a very poorly handled conflict at best.

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Re: Mcnamara
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2009, 11:02:30 PM »
I'm one of the one's that will stand in line to take a leak on his grave. He was a key player in making the ROE that cost a lot of fine young men their lives playing a game LBJ and Bobby Strange never intended to win.

LBJ sure made a lot of bucks for the ole family in SVN though. Maybe that was the point. Brown & Root?
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2009, 07:33:03 AM »
Fog of War is one of the most fascinating docs ive seen. McNamara comes across as a very thoughtful guy who didnt take his responsibilities lightly, a level head in a time of crisis.
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Re: Mcnamara
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2009, 07:57:01 AM »
I think Joe Galloway sums up my feelings on Bobby Strange perfectly.

First of all, for those who don't know who Galloway is, a bit of background:

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Joseph L. Galloway is senior military correspondent for Knight Ridder Newspapers, working in their Washington Bureau. He recently concluded a brief assignment as a special consultant to General Colin Powell at the State Department. Galloway, a native of Refugio, Texas, spent 22 years as a foreign and war correspondent and bureau chief for United Press International, and nearly 20 years as a senior editor and senior writer for U.S. News & World Report magazine...

... During the course of 15 years of foreign postings, Galloway served four tours as a war correspondent in Vietnam and also covered the 1971 India-Pakistan War and half a dozen other combat operations. In 1990-1991 Galloway covered Desert Shield/Desert Storm, riding with the 24th Infantry Division (Mech) in the assault into Iraq...

...He is co-author, with Lt. Gen. (ret) Hal G. Moore, of the national bestseller We Were Soldiers Once…and Young---which has been made into a critically acclaimed movie, We Were Soldiers, starring Mel Gibson...

...On May 1, 1998, Galloway was decorated with a Bronze Star Medal with V for rescuing wounded soldiers under fire in the Ia Drang Valley, in November 1965. His is the only medal of valor the U.S. Army awarded to a civilian for actions during the Vietnam War.

Now, Galloway was personally and professionally very familiar with the VietNam war. Note in his comments he references David Halberstam. Halberstam was also quite familiar with the VietNam war and those who ran it:

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At the age of 30, he won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on the war. He is interviewed in the 1968 documentary film on the Vietnam War entitled In the Year of the Pig.

Halberstam next wrote about President John F. Kennedy's foreign policy decisions about the Vietnam War in The Best and the Brightest.

So, what did Galloway say that I agree with? I'll quote a bit and you can read it all here:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/71328.html

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By Joseph L. Galloway | McClatchy Newspapers

"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." —Clarence Darrow (1857–1938)

Well, the aptly named Robert Strange McNamara has finally shuffled off to join LBJ and Dick Nixon in the 7th level of Hell.

McNamara was the original bean-counter — a man who knew the cost of everything but the worth of nothing.

Back in 1990 I had a series of strange phone conversations with McNamara while doing research for my book We Were Soldiers Once And Young. McNamara prefaced every conversation with this: "I do not want to comment on the record for fear that I might distort history in the process." Then he would proceed to talk for an hour, doing precisely that with answers that were disingenuous in the extreme — when they were not bald-faced lies.

Upon hanging up I would call Neil Sheehan and David Halberstam and run McNamara's comments past them for deconstruction and the addition of the truth.

The only disagreement I ever had with Dave Halberstam was over the question of which of us hated him the most. In retrospect, it was Halberstam.

When McNamara published his first book — filled with those distortions of history — Halberstam, at his own expense, set out on a journey following McNamara on his book tour around America as a one-man truth squad.

McNamara abandoned the tour...




McNamara was a lying, self-serving piece of crap; his ridiculous ROE got a lot of fine men killed. I do hope he is in the 7th level of hell with the other two clowns.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2009, 09:00:52 AM by Toad »
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Re: Mcnamara
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 09:11:42 AM »
There's another good piece here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/11/mcnamara_the_smartest_fool_97401.html

This is just one more reason so many people hated Bobby Strange. He was simply a lying bass turd, deliberately lying to the American people.

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On Dec. 21, 1963, the secretary of defense returned from a trip to Vietnam and wrote a "Memo for the Record" stating, among other things:

"There is no organized government in South Vietnam at this time. ... It is abundantly clear that statistics received over the past year or more from the Government of Viet Nam officials and reported by the US mission on which we gauged the trend of the war were grossly in error. ... The Viet Cong control larger percentages of the population, greater amounts of territory, and have destroyed or occupied more strategic hamlets than expected. ... In my judgment, there are more reasons to doubt the future of the effort under present programs or moderate extensions to existing programs than there are reasons to be optimistic about the future of our cause in South Vietnam."

Then McNamara went out and assured the American people we were winning -- for four more years.

Just another lying political sock tucker.
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Re: Mcnamara
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 01:07:14 PM »
Thanks Toad for posting that, a very interesting read. I do not think the politicians today are any different though, it's been going on for a long time now and obviously it will not stop anytime soon.

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