NCAA Boycots South Carolina

[Saxman]

Wow, the South Carolina flag has been a issue for a long time (8-10 years i believe).  All this time the state had flown that flag for a centuries and now people find it offensive.  People need to understand that the confederate flag dose not symbol "slavery" (if that is what the issue is about). 

The point I was making is that it's NOT EVEN the Confederate flag being flown.

[akusher]

Driving through a small town in central PA last year, I saw a guy trying to scrub orange graffiti off his pickup truck. One message read 'I'm a redneck, so shoot me', another was just a crude bullseye painted onto the rear window. A couple others I can't repeat on this board.

What earned him this treatment?

He had the confederate battle flag painted on his tail gate.

What's really sad is that if he actually was any of those things the vandals had accused him of being, chances are his response would be several levels beyond their superficial attack.

And so the cycle would continue.

[Masherbrum]

The point I was making is that it's NOT EVEN the Confederate flag being flown.

Your point is null and void, as the Flag in question is a Confederate Flag.   

[Die Hard]

I don't get why flying the Confederate flag is such a big deal? After all the Union were once slavers, and the British too. All nations have something in their past they aren't proud of.

[akusher]

I don't get why flying the Confederate flag is such a big deal? After all the Union were once slavers, and the British too. All nations have something in their past they aren't proud of.

I think it's just the easiest way of assigning blame for one's own inadequacies.

It goes something like this:

'Your great-great-great grandaddy may have once oppressed mine, therefore all of my failures in life and general dissatisfaction with myself is now your fault, you racist.'

On the flip side, it can be a powerful tool for those who want to derive political popularity and leverage by appealing to this tendency.

Way, way easier than making something of yourself and casting the unfortunate events of the past aside, into history, where they belong.

[oakranger]

The point I was making is that it's NOT EVEN the Confederate flag being flown.

It really dosen't matter, as long as it has the simular markings, people still see it as a Confederate flag.  

I don't get why flying the Confederate flag is such a big deal? After all the Union were once slavers, and the British too. All nations have something in their past they aren't proud of.

That is a good question.  Most people (who all not all familiar with history)  think that the war between the states was all because of slavery.  The south wanted and the north didn't, even though more people in the north had slaves and the south had little, it is view that the south was a "hate blacks" society.   With hate groups like Neo Nazis and KKK they proudly used the Confederated flag as a symbol of there group or society.  

[Reaper90]

True.... so what does that have to do with college games. That is my point.

It has to do with college games because the NCAA made it about it, as a means to protest the fact that the confederate flag is still flown on the Statehouse grounds. The flag used to be on the capital dome, on the flag pole below the US flag and SC flag, in that order. The NAACP protested, and the state legislature reached a compromise agreement to take it down and move it to a memorial on the side lawn on the grounds. The NAACP immediately reversed position on the compromise and reinstated their boycott with the new demand it be removed all-together. That was in the late '90's, and that's where it stands to this day.

The NCAA is boycotting due to the fact that the flag is displayed on public property.

And no, it has nothing to do with baseball. It is pure ignorance on their part, coupled with, I'd imagine, a lot of pressure from "certain groups."

[Saxman]

Your point is null and void, as the Flag in question is a Confederate Flag.   

Neither null NOR void: It's a 20th century flag design that was made to LOOK like the CSA battle flag in order to cater to "Southern Pride" with no actual connection to the Confederate States of America. It's not the battle flag, naval jack, or national flag. It would be EXACTLY the same if someone tried to pass off a flag with blue field, fifty stars, and PURPLE stripes as the American Flag. It LOOKS like it, but it's NOT an American flag.

Oakranger got it: Because it LOOKS like it, people think it IS.

[Shuffler]

Ahh there lies the catch... NAACP an extremist race based (read racist) group.  

Sounds like a good time to boycot the NCAA.

[Reaper90]

Ahh there lies the catch... NAACP an extremist race based (read racist) group.  

Sounds like a good time to boycot the NCAA.

I'm afraid if we boycotted all that is ignorant in this world, we'd find ourselves disconnected and removed from about 90% of society today.

If we actually taught history (or many other subjects) without being worried about applying "PC" standards, offending people, or upsetting the falsehoods that people have found comfort with, we'd have a lot more enlightened populace. But then again, we are talking about government schools...

[Saxman]

I'm afraid if we boycotted all that is ignorant in this world, we'd find ourselves disconnected and removed from about 90% of society today.

Would that really be a bad thing?

[Reaper90]

actually, probably not. 

As long as I have food, electricity and AHII...... 

[Shuffler]

 


 

[AWwrgwy]

Wow, the South Carolina flag has been a issue for a long time (8-10 years i believe).  All this time the state had flown that flag for a centuries and now people find it offensive.  People need to understand that the confederate flag dose not symbol "slavery" (if that is what the issue is about). 

I don't get why flying the Confederate flag is such a big deal? After all the Union were once slavers, and the British too. All nations have something in their past they aren't proud of.

Question:

When did South Carolina and other Southern States start displaying the Confederate Battle Flag again?  I'm relatively sure no Southern States Incorporated the Confederate Flag in any version into their respective State flags until the advent of the Civil Rights movement in the '60s.  I'm also relatively sure no State that seceded continued to fly the flag of secession after the end of hostilities.

It's not about the Confederate Flag or the Civil War per se but about said symbols being coopted by racists such as the KKK in opposition to minority rights.  Conversely, the arguments always are like the above where it's, "what's wrong with the South during the Civil War.... Southern Pride...." etc.  Has nothing to do with it.  It's about racism or perceived racism.

Anyway, my actual original question was what did any State flag that ever had a Confederate flag or representation there of look like before it was so and when was it changed?


wrongway

[Masherbrum]

Now you've gone and done it!