AH is fine now

[StSanta]

Right now, AH feels balanced. In a certain sense, it also feels historical, with a few abberations such as the F4UC which didn't see much air to air action.

With the perk plane "what if" ideas put forward byt HTC and others, this shows a change in philosophy - trying to deliver something unique, never done before stuff (except in Secret Weapon Of The Luftwaffe)

Now with the introduction of rare what if aircraft, we undouvbteldy move from the historical to the hypothetical. Said in a less kind manner, we move from a sim to a quake fantasy game.

At the moment, it is good. I actually have started to fear updates, due to the fact that AH is damend good as it is. Introduction of perk planes will likely degrade my enjoyment of the game. Like most of you, once the joy I get out of an investment is too small compared to what I pay for it, I terminate my investment.

I am curious; am I the only one who feels this way? Are so many caught up in the porn dream "I wanna fly what ifs" that they do not care about the historical aspect any more?

I fly the A5 nowadays - a 43 or 44 aircraft if I recall correctly. Not too fast, and has some other flaws as well, but very amusing to fly. Most aircraft can catch it but it has some stunts that can throw off attackers.

Current attackers, that is. Against a "what if General Electrics produced an F-16 by 1944", it would be pretty dead.

HTC, I hope you focus on history instead of fantasy. I am pretty hopeful you will as you've shown very good judgement in the past.

We're all free to have our opinions, and this is mine. I do not think less of people who want perk planes; their prerogative and that might be how they get value for their 30 dollars. But to me, a WWII sim is about realism and history.

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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"

[ra]

StSanta I feel the same way, I don't want to see the F8F or the Do-335 ever, they never saw combat in WWII.  

I like the perk plane idea, but I think only planes which saw combat like the Me-262 and the B-29 should be modeled as perk planes.

Either way, perk planes are for the MA only, and I'm hoping that there will be scenarios and historical arenas in the future so I'll be able to avoid skies full of Tigercats and Horten flying wings.

ra

[Karnak]

We have yet to find out what they mean a perk plane to be.  It is entirely possible that they mean that the Spitfire MkXIV, B-29, Me262, Meteor, Fw190D-9 and Tempest will be perks.  On the other hand they could mean that the P-80, Go229 and J7W1 will be perk aircraft.  The difference being that the aircraft in the first list saw combat (light combat in the case of the Meteor) and the aircraft in the second list never saw combat, or in the case of the P-80, never saw combat in WWII.

Time will tell, and it seems that they are going to leave us guessing until then.  So I wouldn't jump to the conclussion that the perk system is going to be fantasy aircraft just yet, it may just be good aircraft.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Hristo]

One thing though. Do not put Me 262 and Meteor in same category. They were never a match, both in performance or combat record.

[Fishu]

Otherwise feels nice but those F4u-1c cannons against panzers is outstanding, way too much to even try to believe it happend in real life..
I would say that MG151/20 is more closer to the truth, and hispanos etc. should be very close to it too when its about against tanks (bit more powerful but not *THIS* powerful)

[Yeager]

Do not put Me 262 and Meteor in same category. They were never a match, both in performance or combat record.
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What u afraid of hristo?  Sure, all know these two never fought but be wary you!  To assume you know something from 55 years ago that no other knows is asking for a good fight  

The meteor was never givin combat during war over europe for reason better than afraid of 262!

Hell, Yeager said that P80s could have been two active combat squadrons in england spring of 45 but it was decided givin small and futile numbers of 262s didnt need to rush things.  The 51s, 47s and Yaks were keeping 262s on the run so.....

262 was a fast plane but the neat thing is maybe Dale could give us opportunity to try meteor, p80 and possibly yak jet against this fabulous luftwabble jet just for the sake of *what if* or *how bad would have swallow done against like jets*.

Maybe me and you someday these jets!

Yeager  

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[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 07-18-2000).]

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Hristo:
One thing though. Do not put Me 262 and Meteor in same category. They were never a match, both in performance or combat record.

Roger that, The meteor was the first jet to score a combat victory, wouldn't want to mix that up with a German A/C...

"August 4th,1944 an RAF Glostor Meteor 'tips' a V-1 guided missle into the sea  with its wing, first victory by a jet-propelled A/C."

[dosequis]

Until Pyro speaks up on the proposed perk system, there is no point in speculating on it.

My final feeling is I would like a HA, with historical matchups. What's the good of all these great flight models that are so close to how these planes flew, if you can't match them up historically?

Other than that, the MA can have everything. Nobody would fly a Hurricane I if it were introduced in the MA. But, as far as HA goes, it's more toys to build battles with.

XX

[-aper-]

 

Right now, AH feels balanced.

It feels to me we got 4 new nice planes in this version:

Yak-3 in the skin of (FW-190A5)
FW-190D9 in the skin of (Yak-9u)
Hurricane in the skin of  (Zeke)
La-11 in the skin of  (P-47)

 

[Torque]

Nice thread Santa but i feel the Hispannies are too undermodeled.

[Spatula]

I agree with Santa, i really dont like the perk plane idea. And i dred the day we get jets   If i wanted to play with jets i go fly janes F-18 or something like that (bore)

Spat.

[Karnak]

I have to disagree about the jets.  The big difference between modern aircraft and WWII aircraft is not the propulsion or avionics, its the computers, sensors and MOSTLY the missles.

WWII aircraft, props and jets alike, had no fire and forget weapons.  Modern aircraft do.  WWII aircraft could not detect and track 24 targets simultaneously out to 120 miles.  Modern aircraft do.  WWII aircraft did not have a look down/shoot down capability.  Moder aircraft do.  WWII aircraft could not attack aircraft 60 degrees off of their nose, as pet the Russian SCHLEM system.  Modern Russian aircraft do.  Adding WWII era jets will not turn AH into Jane's F/A-18 Super Hornet, Falcon 4.0 or Su-27 2.0.

The difference between WWII jets and props is something like the following:

Jets are faster.
Jets zoom climb better.

Props are more manueverable.
Props sustain climb better.
Props accelerate better.

Sisu
-Karnak

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I'm not affraid of Perks, I don't mind.
I'm not so hot for Jets.
I will leave AH when i will find a more realistic sim for cheaper, and that this sim will have real time war arena.