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Offline Enker

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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #75 on: August 05, 2009, 12:25:36 AM »
I would guess that the majority of AH players don't participate in anything other than the Late War MA's, it's not just me.  And no, while I wouldn't say they were wastes of time per se, I would of chose different aircraft to add, as I'm sure most of everyone would have.
Funny, I would have guessed the opposite, with Friday Squad Operations and the Scenarios being the biggest draw. Also, the B-239 is an Early War bird, so why does it see so much use?
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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2009, 08:48:13 AM »
I'd call these "needed"...

    G4M2 "Betty"
    Ki-43-I and -II "Oscar"
    B6N2 "Jill"
    D4Y1 and D4Y3 "Judy"

and these "nice to have"...

    Ki-27 "Nate"
    A6M3 "Zero"
    Ki-45 KAIb "Nick"

I agree Bino, no need for 20+ more Japanese planes immediately, but these are badly needed. These 7, in about that order (although I'd say give us the Oscar first), and then concentrate on the Russian planes and then some additional Italian planes.

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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2009, 11:00:45 PM »
Funny, I would have guessed the opposite, with Friday Squad Operations and the Scenarios being the biggest draw. Also, the B-239 is an Early War bird, so why does it see so much use?
Because it's a Finnish FM2 with all the ballast out the window. (Figuratively speaking.) It's fairly quick for an EW bird, and it out-turns almost everything on the list right now. Plus, it's new. That's something we haven't seen in a while as it is.
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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2009, 10:53:15 AM »
There's a lot more people than you, however, that DO. I guess you're going to tell us that the Brewster and I-16 were wastes of time, as well?

Though we don't normally always see it the same way...I would have to say that I agree with Saxman on almost all of the points he has made. Heck sometimes I think that the only reason I have stayed around this long is for the Special Events. Now most if not all of the planes I want to see added are for the Special Events. Rock on Saxman and lets get some more Japanese planes in here.

Here are my birds I would like to see for Special Events reasons
A6M3
G4M2
D4Y's of some mark
Ki-21

Here are the two that I would like to fly for MA reasons
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Ki-100

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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2009, 11:32:09 AM »
Let me guess? More late-war super rides that saw maybe a week of combat, if that?

You like to assume alot.  I'm sorry someone disagreeing with you is such an earth shattering event that you need to get all pissy.  Oh well, carry on.

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Funny, I would have guessed the opposite, with Friday Squad Operations and the Scenarios being the biggest draw. Also, the B-239 is an Early War bird, so why does it see so much use?

There are easily more players who don't play special events and FSO than ones who do.  Secondly, the Brewster is barely 2 weeks old, of course it's going to see alot of use being as how it's so new.  Wait 6 months and you won't see them very often, probably on the same level as the F4F and FM2.
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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2009, 12:47:09 PM »
You like to assume alot.  I'm sorry someone disagreeing with you is such an earth shattering event that you need to get all pissy.  Oh well, carry on.


Well when you come into a thread like this spouting off about "I don't want to see those Hangar Queens!" then guess what people are GOING to think? As I asked someone earlier in this thread, would you like to share with the class what YOU think is a worthwhile addition to the game?

Put up or shut up.
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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2009, 02:40:04 PM »
Italian and Russian sets, sure, I'd love to see more.

I don't fly Japanese craft unless I have to... For personal reasons.......  But if the rest of you agree then I'll go with it too.

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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2009, 11:21:10 PM »
Sparow:

As I told Dave there's going to be almost nowhere that the Ju-52 will find usage to merit its addition ahead of almost ANY other aircraft. It WILL be a hangar queen in the Mains. While some Ju-52s were armed, it's almost 30mph SLOWER than the C-47 (if that's even possible) so it's going to be no less (if not MORE) vulnerable a target, guns (only a single dorsal 13mm and two waist 7.7mm's: a B-17 it ain't) or not. The "bomber" variant was a Spanish Civil War aircraft that saw only extremely limited use during the first few months of the war over Warsaw. And unlike other aircraft that would be superfluous in the mains but have uses elsewhere, there's NOWHERE in scenario-type play the Ju-52 has value. I've yet to fly in an FSO setup utilizing C-47s to begin with, much less have a place to use Ju-52s (can someone tell me if they were ever used in FSO?). The number of scenarios and shapshots that would find a use for it are likewise going to be limited if ANY, and are C-47s EVER available in AVA in the first place?

We're talking an absolute scraping the crud from UNDERNEATH the bottom-of-the-bucket addition. Every Japanese plane in my list will by FAR be a more valuable addition for ACTUAL usage than the Ju-52. The only real reason to add it is because "it was there."


Hi Saxman,

In fact, I agree, partially, with your argument. The JU-52, scenario speaking, would only be of use for, let me see... for Crete, MTO, Stalingrad... As a troop carrier for any MA would be a sitting duck (like the C-47). In AvA could have some use. C-47's have been used. But I firmly believe that the He-111 would be a much more important adition in the short term. Like the G4M. Two prioritary models, even more than many fighters mentioned.

OTOH, it would be simpler to fill the gaps on almost sufficiently complete planesets than to leave some half filled and others dry... I mean, only a couple of models could "close" the German, American and British planesets. A good choice of a fighter and a bomber could make the Japanese and Soviet setups acceptable. Maybe even the Italian. How on earth will you model any MTO setup without, at least, the Sparviero? What is totally empty is the French planeset. But I understand that would be used only for early war setups and some MTO setups. I concede that the French models should come last in the list, but they should be present, one day.

We all want the same... The most complete planeset possible. We only propose diferent shortcuts to get there...

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Re: BADLY neglected plane set.
« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2009, 02:26:49 AM »
I agree that the Japanese plane set has serious holes that should be filled, but I also can't help but think it's about time the He-111 shows up.  With the regularity of the BoB scenario, that's a bird we really "need" (and by 2010, I'm guessing). 

I understand that bombers are more time-consuming to implement, but I don't think an update of the following planes would be unreasonable:

Betty
He-111

If they wanted to really spoil us they could throw in the Oscar as well.  I think those three planes would be an update that would get many scenario/FSO junkies very excited :)
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