Author Topic: 109 g 14 is 20eny while the ki84 is 15??!! Why?  (Read 1370 times)

Offline Saurdaukar

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Re: 109 g 14 is 20eny while the ki84 is 15??!! Why?
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2009, 11:28:04 AM »
G14 v. 84, etc

I know the G14 pretty well and the Ki84 is one of the aircraft that is always a handful for me.  Engine/climb performance is comparable - which negates the 109's primary advantage against most of the plane set - and the 84 is more agile than even a G14 without gondolas.

Granted, the G14 does put out an impressive array of metal with the gondies on - placing second to the A8 by only a single 151/20, but the performance impact is significant.

I think the ENY assigned to each is reflective of their respective abilities.

That said, you must have much better aim than me.  The 151/20's arent exactly known for their laser-like precision and, at 800 yards, if Im driving, Ive got anther 400 or so to close before I even think about depressing the trigger.

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Re: 109 g 14 is 20eny while the ki84 is 15??!! Why?
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 10:59:34 PM »
I know the G14 pretty well and the Ki84 is one of the aircraft that is always a handful for me.  Engine/climb performance is comparable - which negates the 109's primary advantage against most of the plane set - and the 84 is more agile than even a G14 without gondolas.

Granted, the G14 does put out an impressive array of metal with the gondies on - placing second to the A8 by only a single 151/20, but the performance impact is significant.

I think the ENY assigned to each is reflective of their respective abilities.

That said, you must have much better aim than me.  The 151/20's arent exactly known for their laser-like precision and, at 800 yards, if Im driving, Ive got anther 400 or so to close before I even think about depressing the trigger.

lol what I newb I was to believe it was better than the KI.  Granted, I like it - but like someone said, there is a mediocrity to it that does not allow a very large window for flying it to a severe advantage.  Bombers on a deacked field come to mind lol.

I was a bit surprised to see how long it took to recover from a dive.  VERY LONG slope and exposure to the deck before you can climb out after diving in the 109.  The KI seems to be able to bleed speed before the dreaded death bubble were parts rip off.  It has been SO long since I ever did that, I hear that creaking and I immediately start changing my behavior a bit riding on the edge of death.

There is just something not right in this game though.  I hit bombers from 200m out with the 109 today , about 6 passes and only got 2 bombers.  The two I got exploded right away, the other didn't seem affected at all.

While I still like the KI, I can't help to notice that there does seem to be some issues in this game as to when your hits actually count.  I appear to get more kills 'tapping' the trigger than holding it in for a sec. 

I've reviewed films where I squeeze and where I tapped, and I surely was throwing (at least graphically) more lead than when I squeeze with the same if not less ammo being expended.

Another thing I noticed is that HITECH has seemed to up the update frequency today to and from client/server.  This really helped me land my hits.  Just a tiny tap and gun emplacements were downed.  Some tuesdays I can hit them with 50cal for 3 sec and they wont go down, others before I even really get lined properly they are down.

Makes for a frustrating game when you can't really gauge your work.  I guess the best way to have fun in this game is through teamwork and some quality 1v1's or 1v2's where you come out on top of course. :)

I do notice that the 109 likes to 'drop' from altitude make it a hard plane to hit high from, unlike so many other fighters that allow you to glide down with your nose still up and E retention being held.  The smaller design of the 109 prohibits this.  The lift created from the drop vs the reverse controls creates this impression of dropping rather than gliding.  I believe the KI is at least another 15-20% larger than the 109, not sure about the power of the engine though vs it.

All in all, if I had to go 1v1 - put me in a ki.  If I have to fly a general purpose plane then give me the 109 or the p51.