P38 Modelling is a joke!

[Naudet]

This bird is far to good in climb and dive compared to the FW190A5.

The P38 in WW2 couldnt dive with a FW190 nor could it zoomclimb with it.

But what do i have to see here??

A freaking 2-eng fighter looping with my FW190 and gaining the advantage.

This is not possible, the P38 loses more speed in the climbing part of the loop and doesnt gaina as much speed back in the diving part of the loop. That are facts from mock combat of a P38 vs a FW190A3 in GB during WW2.

Again i see a game in which the Axis planes are modelled bad, i think u have read to many legends of the mighty Allies planes that defeated the Germans.

Fact is the Allies have won WW2 by numbers, not by quality!

[Tac]

Welcome to AH.

[Nath-BDP]

Well, considering that Germany was on the defensive most of the war... the Allies wouldn't want to fight a country on the defensive with equal numbers now would they?

[Tac]

can I say it? please? thank you

P-38 is porked

190 is porked

Perk the N1k

     

[Westy]

 Cripes. Where do these people grow?

"This bird is far to good in climb and dive compared to the FW190A5."

 Why? because you *think* so? What were the dive and climb numbers for either? The P-38 could out climb and out turn a 190 handily. The J/L model could out dive em later on. We have the L model.

"The P38 in WW2 couldnt dive with a FW190 nor could it zoomclimb with it."

 Now there you're completely wrong again. The "L and retrofitted "J" could outdive just about anything due to the newly fitted Fowler flap and other improvements.

"A freaking 2-eng fighter looping with my FW190 and gaining the advantage."

 As it should. The 190 climbed like a pregnant sau. The 38 was a very good climber. It was an interceptor put into a fighter/escort role. It was not like the flying brick ME-110.

"This is not possible, the P38 loses more speed in the climbing part of the loop and doesnt gaina as much speed back in the diving part of the loop. That are facts from mock combat of a P38 vs a FW190A3 in GB during WW2."

 An 190A3 versus what model of P-38? The assininely British re-specced model? Sure! But no way a J or an L. Where is that report btw? Got a scan or link?  Got facts?

"Again i see a game in which the Axis planes are modelled bad, i think u have read to many legends of the mighty Allies planes that defeated the Germans."

 Pathetic. You're a revisionist huh? The 109 was obsolete in 42. The 190 was an "ok" fighter but inferior in 43 and 44 because it stunk to high heavan at high alts where the US fighters were better. The Dora came along offering parity at most but too late due to the egotistical maniac Hitler, the bumbling National Socialist party as well as the higher ranking military staff.

Fact is the Allies have won WW2 by numbers, not by quality!

 <eye roll>  "Seig Heil!" huh??  

 Funny. Most folks think the P-38 isn't performing as good as it should here. You're the sole voice who thinks it's too good.

 Did you ever think it was the pilot (you) and not the plane? Re-reading the above I bet not. You're German and you're too good to fail. It's in the genes. <sarcasm re-holstered>

  -Westy




[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-03-2001).]

[Widewing]

 

Originally posted by Naudet:
This bird is far to good in climb and dive compared to the FW190A5.

The P38 in WW2 couldnt dive with a FW190 nor could it zoomclimb with it.

But what do i have to see here??

A freaking 2-eng fighter looping with my FW190 and gaining the advantage.

This is not possible, the P38 loses more speed in the climbing part of the loop and doesnt gaina as much speed back in the diving part of the loop. That are facts from mock combat of a P38 vs a FW190A3 in GB during WW2. B]

If you are referring to the fly-off I'm thinking of, you cannot compare the P-38F used to the P-38L. Indeed, the L was a horse of a different color. Boosted ailerons, 60% more horsepower and dive flaps. If the AH P-38L is modeled correctly, it will eat your 190 for lunch every time. Much faster climb rate, much tighter turn rate, much faster roll rate at high speed. Faster at virtually every height, no BMW powered 190 could hope to catch a P-38L in level flight or a climb. As to dive speeds; Yes, the Fw 190 had an advantage in peak velocity. However, the P-38L was the fastest accelerating American fighter, both in level flight and a dive. With the dive recovery flaps deployed, the P-38L could follow the 190 right on down. We should remember that the 190 had a real problem with elevator forces at high speeds, leading many a pilot to fly straight into the ground, unable to muscle their 190 from its terminal dive. Go to:
 http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38.html  to read about the P-38 in the ETO. This article has been recognized by the USAF as the finest evaluation in print. It is also endorsed by aviation historians Warren M. Bodie, Walter Boyne and is currently being serialized in Airpower International magazine. I co-wrote the piece with Dr. Carlo Kopp, an Australia based defense expert and acknowledged aviation authority.

Personally, I have found the performance of the P-38L UNDER-MODELED by HTC. I've managed to talk a former P-38 pilot into downloading the AH software, so that he can evaluate the AH P-38L and P-51D, both of which he flew in combat. Currently, I am still helping him to configure the software. When and if he has something to say, I'll post it on the BBs.

My regards,

Widewing

[Fishu]

Hrhmh.. P-38L were very capable fighter..
surely faster than wuergers.
Though, bigger target  

One thing that I don't believe, is its gliding ability.
I literally have troubles slowing it down to landing speed.
...though, it seems that every plane glides bit too well except tiffie.

E management isnt what it used to be..  before planes lost E when you just pitched up a bit, now they hardly lose it when you yankenbankenwanken the stick.

[TheWobble]

I fly it ALL the time now, the only thing i see wrong with it is its stall, but i have not data on that so its just a feeling so its probably fine.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Uh oh, those P38 thread are invading our P47s thread.

I say Perk the 38!

[Tac]

Widewing, if they come online, please let us know eh? I'd love to fly on their wing!

Thank you for this effort, I hope HTC gets the 38 fixed before or during next version.  

Fishu: To land the 38 in AH line up with runway, cut engine, lose speed (by ruddering, spiraling down with dive break/rudder) and when at 200 mph start using flaps. Lower ALL flaps (as the 38 slows down you will be able to use all flaps). Trim the elevator down so your plane doesnt nose up while adding flaps.

When near field (and at 120mph at this point) lower gear and let the plane land itself. I dont even use the wheel breaks, they are useless... the flaps/dive break stop the plane on its tracks.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Tac:
Fishu: To land the 38 in AH line up with runway, cut engine, lose speed (by ruddering, spiraling down with dive break/rudder) and when at 200 mph start using flaps. Lower ALL flaps (as the 38 slows down you will be able to use all flaps). Trim the elevator down so your plane doesnt nose up while adding flaps.

Thats exactly what I mean  

It needs some unusual efforts to slow it down..

[Tac]

Hehe, the 38 is the only non-tail hook plane ive been able to carrier land in the rearm portion and take off again. I love my 38, porked as it is  

[Jigster]

Any noticed you sometimes get what seems to be a porked plane online?

IE under any circumstances where one plane should be able to outperform the other?

Say a sector long chase where a P-51 never gains on a Spit along the deck.

Or an A5 outrunning a P-38 in the same situation.

Weird stuff  

[Sancho]

That dang P-38 is waaaay too uber already.  About time it gets perked.  



[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 03-04-2001).]

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
Any noticed you sometimes get what seems to be a porked plane online?

IE under any circumstances where one plane should be able to outperform the other?

Say a sector long chase where a P-51 never gains on a Spit along the deck.

Or an A5 outrunning a P-38 in the same situation.

Heh, I've seen spit 9 miracles sometimes..
like Spit 9 gaining on level against 109G10 after long low level chase.
though, G10 should be way faster

Though A5 should outaccerlate P-38..
and in the HTC charts A5 and P38 are quite equal in speed (P38 might be couple mph's faster.. I didn't take that good look)