P38 Modelling is a joke!

[fscott]

Fishu, why is it people cannot comprehend what they are reading?  I said it is the FASTEST accelerator in a dive. Where did I say that it had the fastest dive speed?

fscott

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by fscott:
Fishu, why is it people cannot comprehend what they are reading?  I said it is the FASTEST accelerator in a dive. Where did I say that it had the fastest dive speed?

fscott

I was referring to this: "P38 was a faster diver than the P51D and even the P47D"

..then you went to change your points later.

[Widewing]

 

Originally posted by Tac:
cc, the jug could dive longer  

Lockheed Electra? Whats that?

I think HT said they knew the flaps were kaputt (or something), wish I knew if they were adressing them in next version.

The Jug could attain higher diving speeds before compressibility set in. From the P-47D-30 on, all P-47s were fitted with dive recovery flaps similar to those on the P-38. This allowed the pilot to venture into compressibility with greater confidence. However, the dive flaps did reduce acceleration and peak velocity.

The Lockheed Electra was a twing engine light to medium transport. IIRC, Lockheed selected the same NACA profile for the P-38 because all of the fuel needed to be carried in the wing. Moreover, this airfoil provided for excellent fuel economy while providing adequate lift for such a heavy aircraft. If you can find a planform drawing of the P-38 and Electra, compare the wing shape.

If the AH P-38 dive flaps were fuctioning properly, the aircraft would execute a 3 g pullout, hands off. With repect to this, you must fly the AH P-38 as if it were an early J model. That means keeping g loading on the aircraft while diving to avoid overspeeding.

My regards,

Widewing

[Gorf]

My uncle Roy, flew P-39s in WWII, still flies in Warbirds, and is hitting the 80 years old mark.  Still kicks everyones bellybutton when he can fly and every now and then he calls me and says .." go read this post.. like they know what it is like to fly xxx bird.. hell there parents were probably running around in diapers when the war was on."

And ya know what... I AGREE!!  People squeak about ..this does not handle right..yada yada because they get there pattooty kicked by another fighter. Granted there are times when it is quite obvious it is wrong.  So everytime I see a post like this my first response.. as is my uncles..

"WHEN WERE YOU BORN????" or
"You flew xxx plane in combat! IN WWII"

Flight models are created and all based on mathmatics and over history it has been proven that when it comes to aviation, what looks good in the books.. MAY NOT SHOW TRUE AT 15K FEET.


LATER

[Tac]

Hey gorf, if he flew any of the AH planes, tell him to come over or a while and give us a comparison.

For my part, as long as the 38 spins on the ground when taxiing on 1 engine in AH i'll keep screaming foul   .

[Widewing]

 

Originally posted by Tac:
For my part, as long as the 38 spins on the ground when taxiing on 1 engine in AH i'll keep screaming foul   .

You could not taxi a real P-38 on one engine either. The assymetrical thrust cannot be compensated for by the brakes, and there isn't any nose-wheel steering. Any attempt to taxi on one engine will certainly result in turning in a circle. You should be able to coast with one engine running, and steer with the brakes (the rudder is useless at normal taxi speeds). Just remember, wherever you stop is where you will remain.

My regards,

Widewing

[Tac]

*stroke*

*thud*

[Gorf]

LOL  

[ispar]

This bird is far to good in climb and dive compared to the FW190A5.

The P38 in WW2 couldnt dive with a FW190 nor could it zoomclimb with it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Etc.

But what do i have to see here??

A freaking 2-eng fighter looping with my FW190 and gaining the advantage.

That's right. Better wing loading, better thrust-to-weight ration. Two engines are better than one  .

This is not possible, the P38 loses more speed in the climbing part of the loop and doesnt gaina as much speed back in the diving part of the loop. That are facts from mock combat of a P38 vs a FW190A3 in GB during WW2.

I suggest you find another source for this. Or find out if such a fight was actually recorded. OH! Even better, find out what model of Lightning this is - likely a D or F.

Again i see a game in which the Axis planes are modelled bad, i think u have read to many legends of the mighty Allies planes that defeated the Germans.

Axis planes seem to be fairly well modeled if you ask me, and no worse than in any other games. What do you base this on? And, um... the mighty Allied planes did kind of defeat the Germans  

Fact is the Allies have won WW2 by numbers, not by quality!

Oh? Really? Well, no. Let's look at the historical facts, shall we. Battle of Britain first: Germany: 2,400 planes. Great Britain: 700 planes. So, how did they win? Oh yeah... the "better quality" German strategists, Hitler, etc, were idiots! "Let's bomb London! What a swell plan!

Ok, next, the early war. From 1940 through most of 1942, possibly into 1943, the Allies were outnumbered in the air over the Continent. And despite a strategic advantage in numbers, until 1944, almost all encounters in the air gave German a/c a numerical advantage because they were closer to home and could fly more sorties per day. Let's not forget Operation Torch, in North Africa.

Oh! Midway! Of course! Four Japanese aircraft carriers, against 2 USN carriers (one damaged), about a 2-1 aircraft advantage, an overall force advantage of, what? 3-1? A battle that should not have been won on paper. I guess it's good that Nimitz, or Halsey, or whoever it was that scored the victory at Midway didn't look at the paper.

My facts may be off a bit, but I believe that I am generally correct. So, next time ou decide to say these things, try to make it believeable.