Tactics against the C205

[F4UDOA]

Gents,

First this post is not a joke. I have mentioned this in the main arena on several occassions and I have been ridiculed for my seemingly pointless wines about the dreaded C205. But I am here to tell you that I dont quite know what to do.

My regular mount is the F4U-1C(King of the allied oppertunist), an A/C that should not have a problem with the 205 as long as I stay fast right? Wrong, these little buggers have caught me in extended dives, flown up my tail pipe and shot me from D2.0 at 400MPH on the deck and extending (No he didn't have an E advantage, I watched him the whole way), Unbeleivable Virtical maneuvers without losing any E. All this and people keep telling me how slow they are?

Does anyone have some tactical advise on how to kill these bastages in a Co-alt meeting?
I laugh at Spit9's, Kick dirt on Pony's and even the dreaded FW190A5 has lost it's fearsome edge. But when I see a C205 I don't know weather to run or hide.

Anyone else have this problem?

Later
F4UDOA

[Ash]

F4UDOA,

  I feel your pain! With the right pilot << Gatt, Nibbio, Visconti, BH2...<S> >> the 205 is to be feared! I had Nibbio try and chase my G10 down last night, and he almost got me. My only success has been to get the 205 to start turning for defense and then start BnZing them.<The 205 does have a slow climb rate.> But even then you have to be careful!

OTR,
    Ash
    III./JG2

[Vermillion]

To quote Robert Shaw, when I talked to him about such tactics..... {GAWD I love to be able to say that}

"What the hell would you ever want to fight Co-E FOR?????"

Think About It  

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"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by F4UDOA:

Does anyone have some tactical advise on how to kill these bastages in a Co-alt meeting?

Treat it as a Spit9, bit faster than it, bit less turning and much better climber until 20K.

I never had too much problem fighting alone C205s, the problem is that hey dont use to be alone (damned italians!   <S!> ).

C205 has a very nice dive due to its better hispeed handling than Spitfire9. So careful in the dives ,as they dive VERY well.

CoE it is a very dangerous plane for a hog...just as a Spit9. Be careful with them...but for sure they ain't superplanes.


 

I laugh at Spit9's, Kick dirt on Pony's and even the dreaded FW190A5 has lost it's fearsome edge.

Uh...of course Fw190A5 has lost its fearosme edge for you   I'm bishop now   <G,D,R>
Just kiddin' of course  

[maddog]

Yes they are... does nothing great but does everything well... can hold your own with any other plane types.... i look at fu4s as lunch... easy  get them to lose their E and their desert....

[maddog]

I must admit.. its in the repair shop alot.....

[Fishu]

F4u-1c is a pig.. try D  
Also, remember that if enemy is far more faster than you when you begin diving, its not a big wonder if enemy catches you.
2k? better fix your connection then. (or is it just those italians using spaghetti instead of regular cables?)
Remember that C.205 is comparable to Bf109, which means it performs verticals fairly well... (and your pig F4u does NOT)
Also that C.205 might know how to retain E and you miscalculate the loss of E.
I flew against F4u couple times in C.205, it wasnt *that* good plane, lost E easier than P47  

[humble]

The 205 is one of the best planes in the game...especially under 16,000 or so. It's got good speed, decent climb rate, nice turn rate and good rudder authority...plus a big ammo load. If you can't beat the 205 in one of these area's by a significant margin...your in trouble...since the core of 205 pilots in rather zealous about there ride...they fly it almost exclusivly...and very well. in a 1c...head on it  . If you dont have the E to Zoom on the 205 your toast if you stay after that. I'd say thre yak and 205 are pretty comparable...except yak turns a little worse, and is a tad bit faster and has little better climb IMHO.

[leonid]

Ah, what Verm said  


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[Torque]

The 205 IMO is the best all round AC in game cept for that crappy forward view i'd be fly'n her all da time.One thing she has tho is bad hi speed performance so go vert or dive. Force the 205 into hi speed chase and pull up hard she will tail under you.Gatt Visconti these are guys are killers in them babies.Best way to find an AC's weakness is to fly it.

[Tac]

Oy the cursed 205.

How I hate thee 205? Let me count the ways:

One: I have hit you with a Panzer HE shell straight on they nose.. ye flew off and shot my air cover.

Two: You are small and damn hard to hit, ye who can only be fired upon when at high speeds

Three: Thy ability to endlessly loop like an old man's weiner on viagra

and last but not least:

Four: Yee never stall... yee make me stall and do other stupid things which injure what's left of my ego and make me take off to do more stupid things to vent my anger...

:End:  

I fly the P-38, and the only way I can ever get a 205 is to either jump it and make ONE pass only (trying to exit pass heading towards friendlies) or shoot it from below (of course, they never see it coming there..maybe that's why hehe).

Anyway, their small size makes em damn hard to hit  

[Citabria]

I turn fight 205s with the p38 hehe

but then again I turnfight spit9s and n1k2s w p38.

[VISCONTI]

Thx guys,
i see a lot of people B&Z my 205 and they run always away whit no ammo, there are a little numbers of pilots that perform dangerous B&Z attacks (one is aper <S> ).

In a B&Z is a problem of attack time, avoid to give at your opponent the time to react.

In a coalt engagement u can gain alt on the 205 whit almost all planes, personally i never try to gain alt on enemy, 205 is not good at that IMO.

205 have a good rudder reponse and u can manouver whit a spit but if u miss the first turn is better u run, u lose E very fast.

205 can dive fast but have a poor acceleration, at extremely high speed is not manouvrable u need time to regain manouver capability.

U can try to engage the 205 above 20k but the problem is that only a short # of pilots fly the 205 above 20k.


Well i fly only that bird, i have no experience in others fiters, when i see P51 P47 Fw190 109G10 i am sure to live, they will do 1000 attack on my 205 and i never fire at them but i live "always" (1 vs 1).

PS: TRY THE D MODEL!!!!!!

[gatt]

Well, italians should not post here and reveal their tactics ...    
Jokes apart, its very interesting to see how differently, in my opinion, you should drive the "Veltro".

Thanks GOD, there are other techniques than B&Z and T&B. I learned to E-fight with the 109F in WarBirds and here I use that style with the C.205V.

I enjoy using her like an E-fighter and we stress Hit&Climb techniques during our training sessions. The C.205 is reasonably fast and maneuverable at medium-high speeds and climbs quite well up to 16-18K. So, we use it like a 109G-6 with better turning characteristics.

We usually patrol at 20-24K (where we get high level speed with less RPM). We try to fight the way they did in the Real Thing. We really think that Hit&Climb is the best style for the C.205, but you must pay a lot of attention to compressibility. So no B&Z is allowed due to her bad maneuverability at very-high speeds (400mph+). Even if she keeps E quite well, a co-E merge with a Spitfire IX is often lethal for me, but I'm just an average pilot.

I try the Turn&Burn with Boom&Zoomers a/c and E-Fight with T&Bers (or with guys that do stick to that technique). I do not even know what sustained turns are, tho.

When I'm down on the deck ... well, at the very end I can even Turn&Burn with NIKI's and Spits but, you know, then the real dogfight is, IMHO, over.  


[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 07-22-2000).]

[ArkanReb]

I am just an average pilot but I flew the 205 exclusively for a couple months.The guns on it are great yes.

But while flying it the thing that bothered me was except for a 6 shot or comin down from overhead I would have to lose the enemy in the nose of my 205 to get a hit solution.It was at this time unless I hit em they would gain advantage losin sight of em.Just somethin to take advantage of.Fly 205 long enough though you get used to leading without visual and will hit.So would probably only work against pilots new to 205.