Dueling Tournament Discussion - NOT RESULTS

[RufusLeaking]

This topic opened to discuss BaldEagl's tournament and free up the Results thread for results/official business.

I'm currently leaning toward 3 times/year.  That would allow eight weeks for sign-up and the tourney then eight weeks off to avoid saturation/burn-out but I'm open to hearing what others think.  Regardless I think quarterly would be the maximum, bi-annually the minimum.

How about a FIFA/Olympic pool system.  I am not sure exactly how these things work, but run a round robin sort of league, with the top 16 guys entering single elimination brackets.  This would give everyone at least a few duels. 

This is just a thought. BadEagl's current tournament is excellent in its current format. 

How can we as a group take some of the load off of him as moderator?  I have him in the first round and will do my best to remove the burden of having to schedule himself in the second.  Not likely, mind you, but I still have a day to be hopeful.

What needs to be avoided is paralysis of committee decision making.  This is working so far because BE is being decisive.  What we can do is have volunteers to maintain the brackets, or answer the odd pop up.  For example, I never would have guessed guys flying in the wrong model plane.  Plus, the workload will probably decrease as the herd thins out.

[Vudak]

How can we as a group take some of the load off of him as moderator?  I have him in the first round and will do my best to remove the burden of having to schedule himself in the second.  Not likely, mind you, but I still have a day to be hopeful.

What needs to be avoided is paralysis of committee decision making.  This is working so far because BE is being decisive.  What we can do is have volunteers to maintain the brackets, or answer the odd pop up.  For example, I never would have guessed guys flying in the wrong model plane.  Plus, the workload will probably decrease as the herd thins out.

It's BE's baby so it's up to him, but I think the Review Committee could probably handle some of the rules questions considering we're the guys who volunteered to be hated for dealing with  problems, anyway.  Might as well break out the sunscreen early 

[TequilaChaser]

unforseen question:

what would be the ruling if one of the match rounds had a scenario where---->
Pilot A wins round #1 so the Loser(Pilot B) picks the spit1 for Round #2.......

Pilot A vs Pilot B flying spit1's in round #2 end up colliding, both get message so by rule, this round is a "do-over"

Pilot A and Pilot B re-up........same thing happens they collide ( this is 2nd try in the Spit 1 )

again,
Pilot A and Pilot B re-up........same thing happens for the 3rd try of round 2 and they collide again

again for the 4th time,
Pilot A and Pilot B re-up........ fortunately this time one of the pilots win.........BUT WHAT IF?


is there some cutoff to where the 2 would pick a different airframe/plane model? 

if so,

is there a deciding factor into which Pilot gets to decide which airframe/plane model? The Winner of Round one or the Loser of Round one?

[Vudak]

Since the tournament has already started, I think it is best that we stick with the rules "as is" for better or worse...  It's the only way to be "fair," even if it necessitates going ahead with a few that may or may not be "ideal."

It's an interesting scenario, TC.  Here are the sections of the rules I think pertain:

In the case of a collision:
   * If only one player collides (only one gets the collision message) the duel continues.
   * If both players collide (both get the collision message) the duel immediately ends and will be re-started in the same planes.

I read this as meaning that one must receive both the "You have collided" and "player has collided with you" for the round to be a forfeit.  If either one is missing, the round continues, and the guy who flew into the other has to deal with the damage as best he can.

In the event that both players managed to collide repeatedly for 3-4 rounds, I'd be comfortable telling them to re-start, as per the rules, and pay better attention to their scissors

Your thoughts?

[TequilaChaser]

Since the tournament has already started, I think it is best that we stick with the rules "as is" for better or worse...  It's the only way to be "fair," even if it necessitates going ahead with a few that may or may not be "ideal."

I Agree

It's an interesting scenario, TC.  Here are the sections of the rules I think pertain:

In the case of a collision:
   * If only one player collides (only one gets the collision message) the duel continues.
   * If both players collide (both get the collision message) the duel immediately ends and will be re-started in the same planes.

I read this as meaning that one must receive both the "You have collided" and "player has collided with you" for the round to be a forfeit.  If either one is missing, the round continues, and the guy who flew into the other has to deal with the damage as best he can.

In the event that both players managed to collide repeatedly for 3-4 rounds, I'd be comfortable telling them to re-start, as per the rules, and pay better attention to their scissors    
Your thoughts?

I did not type it, but meant each "do-over" was legit and both Players received both the Orange and White messages......

I Agree, the (2) Players have to continue using the same Plane Model until this round is completed, regardless of how many times it takes !

( I think this rule should be revisited and re-evaluated after completion of this tournament, and before another starts )


*Added Note*

I Think Discoes should be included as a a sub-rule of the flying beyond range rule ie:
-  The intent is for players to remain in close proximity to one another (2-3K max).  That said if at any time the players lose icon range on one another the duel ends immediately and will be re-started using the same planes.  This should allow a dueler to simply turn away from a runner to nullify the duel.

to where opponents have to redo the match, Today when I logged into the DA, flatiron was there and I had asked him if I could have a flight or 2 over the lake to warmup. During this time flatiron got dumped/discoed!

If this had happened in a match, I suggest the outcome as a "do-over" of that Round, I searched thru the rules and did not see Discoes/dumps listed anywhere

[BaldEagl]

I have him in the first round and will do my best to remove the burden of having to schedule himself in the second. 

Hehe... good luck with that.   

[PFactorDave]

Any rule concerning Discoes should be carefully considered before being implemented.  There should be something more then simply a disco causes a re-do, since a disco CAN be purposefully induced.

[BaldEagl]

Any rule concerning Discoes should be carefully considered before being implemented.  There should be something more then simply a disco causes a re-do, since a disco CAN be purposefully induced.

TC and I just PM'd on that.  That was my concern as well.  Currently thinking a disco is a do-over and a second disco by the same player is a loss.

[TequilaChaser]

It's BE's baby so it's up to him, but I think the Review Committee could probably handle some of the rules questions considering we're the guys who volunteered to be hated for dealing with  problems, anyway.  Might as well break out the sunscreen early 

As Vudak posted, PFD, BaldEagl and the review committee are reviewing this at this time........

yep, BaldEagl and I just did PM each other regarding it, as well as the entire Review Committee and Alternates......

[PFactorDave]

TC and I just PM'd on that.  That was my concern as well.  Currently thinking a disco is a do-over and a second disco by the same player is a loss.

That would seem reasonable to me...  But you might think about throwing a line in there that the NON-discoing player can request the review committee to take a look at the film.

Imagine fighting hard and finally getting on a guys 6 o'clock only to have him poof and force you to start over...  Seems like a review of the film might be useful in such a case.

I don't know what the best answer is really, just thinking out loud mostly.

[RufusLeaking]

With my impending first round exit, I am anticipating a long wait to the next set of brackets.  Three times per year means four months!

I searched this forum for "ladder" and it came up with 18 pages.  Most of them are more than 5 years old.  Being too lazy to go through so many pages, I need to ask if there is anyone out there with memory of a functioning 1 v 1 dueling ladder? 

I am not sure that there is much enthusiasm for something like this. 

BaldEagl's rules could be adapted.  The low man picks the opening round bird, for example.  What I am not clear on is how many rungs can be skipped, if any?  Or how long can someone deny a challenge?  Details like that. 

[fudgums]

I think 3 times a year would be best,because these things are just going to get bigger and bigger. Which would mean more time

[Vudak]

With my impending first round exit, I am anticipating a long wait to the next set of brackets.  Three times per year means four months!

I searched this forum for "ladder" and it came up with 18 pages.  Most of them are more than 5 years old.  Being too lazy to go through so many pages, I need to ask if there is anyone out there with memory of a functioning 1 v 1 dueling ladder? 

I am not sure that there is much enthusiasm for something like this. 

BaldEagl's rules could be adapted.  The low man picks the opening round bird, for example.  What I am not clear on is how many rungs can be skipped, if any?  Or how long can someone deny a challenge?  Details like that. 

I caught the tail end of the ladder.  It was fun, but it was also hard to get a match at times.  I'm under the impression there were some technical issues that prevented it from continuing, though I could be wrong.

If you have the know-how to start a new one, by all means Even so, I think this tournament is a pretty cool project itself.

[BaldEagl]

I think 3 times a year would be best,because these things are just going to get bigger and bigger. Which would mean more time

Actually, moving from 64 to 128 participants only adds one week to the schedule.

[AAJagerX]

LOL, Bald....  What kind of monster have you created???   

In all reality though, this is one of the most fun ideas I've seen in a long time.