Squadron Mission Assignments

[FiLtH]

  Gonna keep an eye on this thread, it should be fun.

[Nefarious]

Here is TheBugs 2009 FSO Plane List, so in 2009 you have only flown bombers once more than the 412th has...

Only twice in Bombers...

The Bug   
   
Bougainville Privateers   
Ki-61   
A6M5B   
Ki-61   
   
August Storm   
N1K2   
Ki84   
Ki-61   
   
Prelude to Stalemate   
Bf109G2   
Fw190A5   
Bf109G6   
   
Jubilee   
Bf109F4   
Not Present   
Not Present   
   
High Blue Battle   
Not Present   
Not Present   
Not Present   
   
Op Husky
FM2   
B24J   
P-38J   
   
Turkey Shoot   
F6F-5   
SBD-5   
F6F-5   

[Bino]

Appreciate the work, Bug! 

But if we could agree to disagree, IMHO balancing the onerous duties (bombing) with the fun (escorting/intercepting) might best be left to the individual squad COs.  They are the ones with the closest view of what their squad has been doing lately.  A side C-in-C might be from a squad that's not familiar with all the FSO usual suspects.  He might not know the individual squads at all.  Of course, this kinda presumes that a C-in-C will get orders out early enough in the week <ahem!> to allow for some discussion. 

All that said, though, your table is a good way for a C-in-C to easily see that all squads get their fair share.  Nice job.

[Shifty]

Here is TheBugs 2009 FSO Plane List, so in 2009 you have only flown bombers once more than the 412th has...

Only twice in Bombers...

The Bug   
   
Bougainville Privateers   
Ki-61   
A6M5B   
Ki-61   
   
August Storm   
N1K2   
Ki84   
Ki-61   
   
Prelude to Stalemate   
Bf109G2   
Fw190A5   
Bf109G6   
   
Jubilee   
Bf109F4   
Not Present   
Not Present   
   
High Blue Battle   
Not Present   
Not Present   
Not Present   
   
Op Husky
FM2   
B24J   
P-38J   
   
Turkey Shoot   
F6F-5   
SBD-5   
F6F-5   

Only twice in Bombers?
 
Hmmm, I thought maybe Bug was coming on a little strong with the reading comprehension quote but Nef either you didn't take a good look at the logs... Or you're just outright being dishonest with the facts  for whatever reason. In Operation Jubilee we (VF-17) flew Ju88s in Frame 3, in Operation High Blue we flew B-24s in Frame two. Because Bug wasn't present  with us for those frames doesn't mean it didn't happen or we as a squad didn't participate.The way you presented your facts by showing just one pilot from the squadron is very misleading and a cheap trick. So the real truth is we've flown bombers four straight FSOs now in a row and your squadron has flown them once according to your post. A lot of respect I had for you just went out the window with that cheap stunt. I guess constant accommodation makes you feel like you can get away with anything.

[Hamltnblue]

As of last night half of the Allied squads can have another Bomber run added including VF-17

 

[TheBug]

If am I incorrect in saying that your squad flew fighter missions 6 straight frames in a row Nef, please point out the frame where you didn't and I will most definitely correct the table.


This is a tool for CiCs, they are free to use it in any manner.  If there are other considerations they are most definitely not obligated to give anyone, any specific ride.  I just hope most CiCs are aware of what missions squads have been assigned lately and make efforts to mix things up a little bit.  The table should help with that data collection.

I can hardly see how anyone would think it would be a bad thing.  At worst I would think some may not have a desire to use in making orders, that is their perogative.

I wonder why some of you are getting worked up about just tabulating the facts??  My target is the CiCs not the squadrons, I'm just reporting what I've seen.  I also for one would love to have fighters for 6 frames in a row and would be very appreciative.  But I most definitely wouldn't be frazzled by someone pointing it out.

[Nefarious]

Like I said, the 412th appreciates and thanks all the CiC's who honor our Aircraft Preferences.

If your point was to pick out the CICs, than why not go directly to DD with your fact finding mission or call the CiCs out collectively and not the squads who follow their orders.

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[Dadsguns]

First of all I would like to   and thank everyone that has volunteered their time and effort to make FSO what it is and what we don't want it to become, the MA.

I enjoy the FSO, and hope that we keep it as pure as possible and that nothing is happening that would take away from this event as preferential treatment from a rouge CIC.

Some have made some valid points about Mission Assignments and would like to share my concern as well, this is by no means a blast or cheap shot at any squad or CIC.

I don't like this idea one bit, I am sure that at some point it will or has been abused by allowing certain squads, players fly a specific ride that they wanted more often than not and the "less popular" or "rest of us" just have to accept what we have been assigned.

We have flown FSO for some time now and our turn in the bucket has come around a couple times for the perk rides, but we had to pay dearly for our shot at it by volunteering for the worst plane sets.  

What is intersting to know is:  
1. Do any other squads that fly uber rides in FSO make these types of sacrifices that we have to get the uber rides, or do they get decent rides by default because they are "in" with the CIC?

2. I wish we could determine the worst plane set in each FSO and see what squads flown them, sort of some type of tracker.

I think they should determine and assign a number value to each squad and when your number is up you get to pick what ride you fly in that order, the next week after your the "1st" pick squad you drop to the bottom of the list again until your first.  Sort of rotate in that manner.

[Hamltnblue]

On another note the largest squads will more often have some bombers assigned for a couple of reasons.
1.  They have the ability to communicate with some of their fighter support better since they are in the same squad.
2. Squads must and should be kept together on the same target.  This leaves little choice for the CiC's and  results in split plane assignments.
3.  Squads that don't update their preferences are automatically assumed to not mind bomber assignments.  They almost always wind up with them.

In the last couple of frames there were a large amount of targets. A few were only able to be attacked by a single squad due to the numbers involved.  They had to be split up.
I don't think there is any major favortism out there. If there is it would be one squad giving another a favor, not several.
I think the format of the sheet is a great idea and will help future CiC's with their job.
If the sheet will be updated weekly another column with current ride preference would help as well.
 

[TheBug]

I don't think bomber assignments or the lack of them has much to do with favortism at all.  Is that what has some of you with your panties in a bind?  I believe it is just somewhat random luck( or unluck) based in the, objectives, squadron size, lack of information the CiC has or just the CiC not caring.

Hopefully some CiCs will be able to utilize this table.  It should cause no harm to any squad.  The truth is the truth and that is all it shows. 

[Stoney]

I wonder why some of you are getting worked up about just tabulating the facts??  My target is the CiCs not the squadrons, I'm just reporting what I've seen.  I also for one would love to have fighters for 6 frames in a row and would be very appreciative.  But I most definitely wouldn't be frazzled by someone pointing it out.

Because, the way you have presented your information up to this point makes it seem as though you think some squadrons are getting over.  And, personally, I have no idea where you and Shifty found the immense chip on your shoulders, but you should drop it.  You may be correct--perhaps Nef and I are misunderstanding your point, but its because you've poorly communicated up to now, and not because we should chill out.  We have one of these threads about once a year, and its always the same thing, just different squads.

EDIT:  And Shifty, if you really think Nef was purposefully manipulating the facts, you're way off track.  Grow up.

[TheBug]

I don't think they are "getting over".  I know they are getting over.  I'm hoping to eliminate that somewhat, not gonna deny that.

[Shifty]

Because, the way you have presented your information up to this point makes it seem as though you think some squadrons are getting over.  And, personally, I have no idea where you and Shifty found the immense chip on your shoulders, but you should drop it.  You may be correct--perhaps Nef and I are misunderstanding your point, but its because you've poorly communicated up to now, and not because we should chill out.  We have one of these threads about once a year, and its always the same thing, just different squads.

EDIT:  And Shifty, if you really think Nef was purposefully manipulating the facts, you're way off track.  Grow up.

Stoney you've displayed a chip on your shoulder in this thread as much as anyone. The forums are a tool for communication. If somebody has an issue they should be able to bring it up in the forums. If you don't like the fact that the issue was brought up... That's your business. However as a CM you should have an open mind and give things fair consideration. You should also be willing, not just willing but striving to see the FSO be an event fairly offering the same opportunities to all squads. Also people should be able to question and point out problems without CMs just blatantly dismissing it or much less taking offense to it as you seem to be doing. If this is too much for you maybe you need to grow up.

Fact is we have been flying more than our share of buff missions. All Bug was trying to do was come up with a process to help CMs spread it out a bit.
Bug suggested a tool to help and for that you and a few others are getting huffy.

As far as Nef, he posted false information about our squad and has yet to admit it was false. You'll even go as far as to defend that when it's obvious it was untrue.  I didn't hurt his credability... He did and you're hurting your own now.

[CHAPPY]

nevermind.

[Fencer51]

As far as Nef, he posted false information about our squad and has yet to admit it was false. You'll even go as far as to defend that when it's obvious it was untrue.  I didn't hurt his credability... He did and your hurting your own now.

If I can duck the purses flying around here long enough to inject some sanity..

Shifty, Nef didn't say your squadron.. he said Bug's personal individual flying.  Note that it included time flying with JG11 until his Hiatus in April.

Also, this melee is totally useless and unnecessary between 4 good people.  The CiCs are the ones responsible for who flies what.  Anyone who flies FSOs knows that some squadrons get more preferential rides than others, but until the CiCs take the time to keep track of who has flown what and what people WANT to fly it is going to continue.

When I was CiC back in January I did a spread sheet for the event.. It helps being in charge of Frame 3.  It kept track of who had requested what, what their average flight #s were, and whether they had flown a "premium" ride that FSO.

http://www.51hangar.net/FSO/FSOSQDASSIGN.xls

Feel free to use it people, especially those in charge frames 2 and 3.