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Car starting problem
« on: July 24, 2009, 07:20:33 PM »
So I'll try and make this brief as possible.  A couple weeks ago, my wife's 2005 Ford Focus SES (2.0L 4 cyl) had the Fuel Cap light come on.  She checked the cap and it was fine, but the light remained on.  I messed with it and it stayed on.  So I discoed the battery for a few minutes to reset the ECU, problem solved...for a day or two.  Light came back on while driving, did the same thing left it discoed for a couple hours.  Two days later the Emissions light comes on while driving.  So I read through the owners manual which is fairly vague and recommends that if the emissions light stays on for more than 2-3 tank fulls, have it serviced.  So I was going to do this route as the car seemed to be running just fine.  Right now I'm on tank #1.

So I get a call from my wife when she's leaving work that her car won't start.  On the phone she said it didn't want to completely turn over.  So I figured she may have left the lights on.  I stop by work to grab a battery load tester, jump pack and jumper cables.  Pop the hood, her Group 40R rated at 650 CCA is cranking 965 (replaced the battery in Feb '09).  So I'm thinking starter, I have her try and start it and the starter seems fine catching the fly wheel fine but it kind of chugged a little and failed to start.  Almost as if it was getting enough fuel (not a car expert).  So I try and start it again and it starts fine (maybe a little chugging). 

My wife tried to start it 3-4 times, I arrived 30-40 minutes later.  Vehicle sat for maybe 8 hours. 

Looking for any input anyone has.
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 07:23:45 PM »
2005 Ford Focus

Well, there's your problem.  :D

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 07:42:22 PM »
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 08:01:01 PM »
Is the check engine light on?

If so check the codes stored in the computer at a local parts store. Most of the major brands to this for free. Let me know and we can go from there.

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 08:27:34 PM »
Is the check engine light on?

If so check the codes stored in the computer at a local parts store. Most of the major brands to this for free. Let me know and we can go from there.

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 08:44:06 PM »
My Saturn SL2 did the exact same thing right before the timing chain snapped....
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 10:12:28 PM »
Looking on google it seems to be a recurring problem on those.
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 12:51:11 AM »
Ford cars, bad times.  Truck ok but not cars...same with pontiac but those are going bye bye thank god.

That said...  Fuel pump or fuel transfer issues.

Also, at night or in the garage under low light, (with the door open), have someone try to crank it up with one of the plug wires pulled slightly off hovering over the plug.  Can't remember how I used to do this, been a long time but ensures I'm getting a spark for ignition. 

If that works out, then you have to play around with fuel.  On newer cars I can't tell you what to do esp on that specific model but would suggest you research on how to find out if the engine is getting fuel.  Ask your wife if it chugged more when she first tried starting it then from then on did what it is doing now, just chugging (like its not getting fuel).  Proving that the remainder of the fuel in there was enough to get her almost cranked over or cranked over a bit then died from lack of fuel.

Might also be some automatic theft protection system accidental trip, in which case again - no fuel to engine.

Either way, I know you are in a pinch and feel for you.  Not sure where the car is now, but I hope it is in an area where you can play around with it a bit ..preferably at home obviously but probably unlikely.  If you attempt to jump it, and the starter system sounds normal...and you have lights, then it is fuel or some sensor.  If it is a sensor you are going to have to garage it my friend and fork the cash unfortunately unless you find a magic bullet response from someone either here or online that knows EXACTLY what the problems is and EXACTLY how to fix it. 

I had the SAME problem with an older ford that I had.  Damn fuel line broke!  Fuel everywhere, middle of gd'n winter on a back road with freshly laid snow and barely any room to pull off.  I took a damn latex glove and some pony tail holders and 'fixed it'.  Then the wipers died.  Then the heater died.  Then the transmission started slipping, then I started leaking oil...then I pushed the car over the hill. 

 

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 03:10:34 AM »
then I pushed the car over the hill.

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 08:09:04 AM »
Myself, my wife and our families have had a good majority of Ford vehicles over the years.  Most have been pretty good.  I had an overhead gasket go on my 1993 Taurus back in the day, but it was 9 years old at the time.  My dad has had electrical starting issues on his '01 F-150, but otherwise pretty good luck IMO.

Sincraft, I was able to get it started when I picked it up at my wife's work and it drove fine.  I'm taking it in to get serviced today.  I have some petroleum jelly standing by to help ease the hurt.
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 09:06:57 AM »
Well, there's your problem.  :D

Just kidding, hopefully somebody can help you out.
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 09:36:23 AM »
So I'll try and make this brief as possible.  A couple weeks ago, my wife's 2005 Ford Focus SES (2.0L 4 cyl) had the Fuel Cap light come on.  She checked the cap and it was fine, but the light remained on.  I messed with it and it stayed on.  So I discoed the battery for a few minutes to reset the ECU, problem solved...for a day or two.  Light came back on while driving, did the same thing left it discoed for a couple hours.  Two days later the Emissions light comes on while driving.  So I read through the owners manual which is fairly vague and recommends that if the emissions light stays on for more than 2-3 tank fulls, have it serviced.  So I was going to do this route as the car seemed to be running just fine.  Right now I'm on tank #1.

So I get a call from my wife when she's leaving work that her car won't start.  On the phone she said it didn't want to completely turn over.  So I figured she may have left the lights on.  I stop by work to grab a battery load tester, jump pack and jumper cables.  Pop the hood, her Group 40R rated at 650 CCA is cranking 965 (replaced the battery in Feb '09).  So I'm thinking starter, I have her try and start it and the starter seems fine catching the fly wheel fine but it kind of chugged a little and failed to start.  Almost as if it was getting enough fuel (not a car expert).  So I try and start it again and it starts fine (maybe a little chugging). 

My wife tried to start it 3-4 times, I arrived 30-40 minutes later.  Vehicle sat for maybe 8 hours. 

Looking for any input anyone has.

the "gas cap" light is on, because either the gas cap(most likely) or the filler neck is bad. it's not sealing properly, allowing fuel vapors to leak into the atmosphere.
 the computer system checks this by either applying a vacuum, or applying pressure into the fuel tank. it then monitors this pressure. any drop outside of specs, and it trips a code, and one of the lights.
 some fords(contours) had a major problem with the filler neck wearing, right where the cap threads on.

 when you disconnected the battery, you cleared the code, but only temporarily. OBD2 systems are much more efficient than the systems of old.
 what happened, was when the monitors set, the system saw that there was still a problem, so it re-lit the light. this is also most likely why the CEL is on now.
 when you have it checked, you're most likely going to find some sort of EVAP system code in it. there is a slight possibilit that this could cause the computer to have issues keeping the engine properly trimmed. it could also be that you have another issue in there. you need to get it checked out.


if you do, and they give you a code number, let me know, and i'll explain it to ya. if you're anywhere near south jersey, i'd be glad to help ya out. if ya want advice that might need more than typing in here, pm me, and i'll pm ya my cell.

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 10:32:01 AM »
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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 11:11:32 AM »
What I don't know about newer cars would fill several books but I do recall Ford's used to have a fuel pump shutoff with a reset in the rear. Found out about it when a similar situation occurred.

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Re: Car starting problem
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 11:16:17 AM »
What I don't know about newer cars would fill several books but I do recall Ford's used to have a fuel pump shutoff with a reset in the rear. Found out about it when a similar situation occurred.

yes, they did. from 83(i think) till at least 2002.

it's called the inertia switch. it's intended to shut down the fuel system if there's a significant impact, or a roll over.

 you are right. they used to go bad all the time. for some reason, i only had problems with them on tempos, and escorts...and their mercury twins.

 if you suspect that, look in the back of the car....usually on the drivers side. there'll be a small access, and it will be labeled "fuel pump shutoff".
 punch it hard enough to trip it. then reset it. if the car starts that was your problem.

 from 2000 on up, i think that ford added a light on the dash that lit up if somethign tripped that switch.


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