Author Topic: So what can us LW get... (Read 1530 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2001, 11:11:00 AM »

AFAIK no flight test data exists for F-9 or A-9. Some sources say only one A-9 was built, some say none, some say a few, etc. I've never read anywhere that F-9 actually got delivered with the 801TS.

Replicant · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2001, 11:40:00 AM »

The 190-F9 displayed shows a SC1000 (2205lbs) and could also carry 4 x SC50s (110lbs). The unit is II/JG 1. I haven't a clue whether a BMW801TS was fitted though.

But... how about a Hs 129B3? PaK 40 75mm anyone?

The Hs129 sure has various armaments available.

Regards

Nexx

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R4M · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2001, 12:05:00 PM »

the Hs129 would be a neat plane to have, but other than to kill armor it has no use. Very little use for such a plane in the MA, IMO. Better a Me410

The 190F8s should have wing racks for up to 250kg each. Together with the 1000kg belly bomb it could carry , that is 3200+lbs of bombs. Who said that "it was too small" to carry ordnance?

The F8 in AH lacks LOTS of weapons configurations widely used in RL. Its about time to bring them into the game. We dont need more planes than this. What we need is A DECENT, HISTORICAL ordnance choice for the F8 we have.

IMO it was the second best jabo of the war,second only to the P47, and that only because the american plane was rougher and had better guns for straffing.

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funkedup · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »

RAM AFAIK the 2 x 250 kg plus 1 x 500 kg was an overload for 190G. The plane could be flown but not far. You would have trouble getting off the runway with that load and full fuel.

P-38, P-47, F4U, F6F were all better fighter bombers than the 190F/G too. More durable aircraft with bigger loads, more range, and more guns.

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R4M · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2001, 12:17:00 PM »

Ahhh nice.

I wont have problem flying a 3x250kg loaded F8. Or a 2x250+DT. or a 2x250+4x50kg. or a 12x50kg. Or a 1 SC1000+ 2DTs (the wing racks could accomodate Drop Tanks, AFAIK)...

or the R4Ms...or the cluster bombs...or the...

the 190F8 is lacking 80% of its historical loadouts, while this same morning I saw a P47D30 with 1 1000lber, 2 500lber, and 10 5 inch rockets taking off in the MA.

Sorry but it is really annoying.

funkedup · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2001, 12:23:00 PM »

Yep we need all that stuff for 190F/G, as I have been saying for 2 years. And P-47 should be fixed.

Just realize that 190 can't ever match the 4000 lb load of P-38 or F4U (which we don't have in AH due to obvious anti-American bias

).

SKurj · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »

RAM? where did u see that P47?

That loadout doesn't exist in the MA +)

2 1000lb'ers, 10 rockets, 1 500lber does though +)
Face it no LW fighter could match that, for that matter no other non-US allied fighter could either.

SKurj

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2001, 02:20:00 PM »

Just for Santa:
I usually can't use each 1000# for each Osti. Because when u dive, and drop one only, your lateral CG is way off, and u always miss killing yourself on the trim. Then it messes up your zoom, and may also mess up your second 1000# drop.

My jabo load out is usually 10 rckts and 2 1000# and 1 CDT. My climb rate is less than a B17

...and if you are engaged OTW to the target you better drop everything.

I have sympathie for those poor LW single seat fighters, but hey, that's History. I guess that if LW took advantage in Europe then they would had developed Jabo more, and allied defenders a pure fighter.

hazed- · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »

OK heres one for all you allied guys.........

show me a picture of a P47d with 2x1000lbers,1x500lber AND rockets
show me a picture of a F4Uc with 2x1000lbers or any bombs on it
show me a picture of the P38L with 2x1000lbers AND rockets

on all these aircraft i can only find EITHER bombs or rockets, never both!.

and for that matter show us a picture of the P51d with the AH max loadout.
and finally show me a picture of a 190 with BOTH bombs and Wr21's.

are the full loadouts we have in AH real?

good little project for the photo hunters eh?

funkedup · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2001, 03:20:00 PM »

Better yet, let's get some photos of F4U and P-38 with 2 x 2000 lb.

Buzzbait · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »

S!

Horsepower comparison, P-47 vs FW190

P-47: 2300-2600 (not counting N or M)

FW190A 1600-1800 (I`m being generous)

Does that answer the question of why the P-47 carries more?

hazed- · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2001, 06:56:00 PM »

fw190a-1 BMW 801c-1 (1,660-hp)
fw190a-3 BMW 801dg (1,800-hp)
fw190a-4 BMW 801D-2 MW50 (2,100-hp)
weight of aircraft around 7,000lb?

p47 Double wasp R-2800 (2,000-hp)
p47b R-2800-21 (with water injection 2,300-hp)
p47d some made with chrysler XIV-2220-1 (2,300-hp)
then no change in hp until
p47J RS2800-61 (2,100-hp) lighter weight wing
P47m R-2800 modified turbo chargers (2,800-hp) only 130 built
p47n R-2800-77 (2,800-hp)
weight of aircraft around 11,000lb?

yes the p47 could carry more but in what way are you being generous buzzbait?

Hooligan · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2001, 10:27:00 PM »

hazed:

The P-47D-30 has 2600 HP with WEP.
Also, I don't believe A4s or A8s ever used MW-50 except experimentally.

Hooligan

CJ · « **Reply #28 on:** September 01, 2001, 12:21:00 AM »

Using only power in determining how much a plane can life is sort of useless. An F-104 could only carry a few thousand lbs of ordinance, while a Skyraider could carry several times as much load with a fraction of the power. You're going to have to look at landing gear capabilities, wing lift capabilities, induced drag profiles, weight and balance situations (roll, not pitch unless weapons were set to drop in pairs), prop optimization, and im sure the list goes on and on and on. The limitation is not level flight, but just getting off the ground and accelerating out of ground effect.

Here's the loading information for a Russian Colt AN-2 Biplane that has a 1000 horsepower radial.

WEIGHTS AND LOADINGS:
Weight empty........................ ............3450 kg (7605 lb)
Max fuel weight....................... ...........900 kg (1984 lb)
Max T-O weight....................... ..........5500 kg (12125 lb)
Max landing weight....................... ......5250 kg (11574 lb)
Max zero-fuel weight....................... ....4800 kg (10582 lb)
Max wing loading....................76 .82 kg/m{2} (15.7 lb/sq ft)
Max power loading...................... ..7.38 kg/kW (12.13 lb/hp)

As you can see, power isn't the only factor in cargo lifting capacity (ordinance considered cargo in this case)

This makes 2.54 lbs of cargo/hp. Probably a little less than double what the P47 would carry per horsepower with full tanks.

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