Pyro, HiTech, could we have the Spit IX modeled as a single varient?

[Nashwan]

That's an F IX, the same type AH has.

Here's an LF IX:

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/bs543.html

Here's an LF IX on 150 octane:

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/jl165.html

(This plane, JL165, had problems by the time the A&AEE tested it)

Note this from the tests:

Estimated increase in rate of climb below full throttle heights
due to increase in boost from +18 to +25 lb/sq.in. = 950 ft/min  

Estimated increase in speed below full throttle heights
due to increase in boost from +18 to +25 lb/sq.in. = 30 mph.  

There's also these figures for the very similar Spit VIII on 150 octane:

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit8.html

[Nashwan]

I think Nashwan was talking about the LF running 150 grade fuel which was pretty commonly available in the last year of the war, probably more common than things like MW 50 or GM1.

I was suprised to find out just how common 150 octane was.

Neil Sterling, who is active at http://pub131.ezboard.com/ballboutwarfare

has got a lot of information out of the public records office in the UK. As well as some of the docs Funked posted, he's got the figures for British fuel production.

Britain produced 663,348 tons of aviation fuel Feb 44 - Mar 45.

Of that, 369,385 tons was 150 octane.

[Neil Stirling1]

The DB 605 as fitted to the 109 G was limited to 1.3 ata, Steig-und Kampfleistung (1310ps at 0m,1410ps at 2100 m) due to pistons burning through, from June 42 to June 43.

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/JStirlingBomber/DB+605b.jpg

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/JStirlingBomber/DB+605+c.jpg

Also LF IX Vrs G6  http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/109gtac.html


Neil.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Agreed.

 In the same spirit, we request better 109G-6s.

 Maybe a perk option? Shi*ty G-6 and Spit9s come free, give them engine/wing/armament upgrades and they become a light perk plane..??

Read "Perk the Big 4 This Tour" posting, and return to the drawing board...FAST!  

Gainsie

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by funkedup
We have three

THREE!!!!

P-47D sub variants.

And we can't get the most common Spit IX variant?????????????????????

You had a large influence on the D25 being skinned in Brazilian colors I believe, stating that would bring some folks from WB's to here. Around the same time the "hybrid" Spit IV we have came out with a brand new skin featuring your squad colors.  What do you want?  Your cake and you want to eat 5 peices too?

There are 4 Spitfires and 5 109's in the hanger, I hope the very near future doesn't include another one of either model.

[ramzey]

skins are importand i hope AH2 give us choice in this

about types /onboard armament count only, correct me if im wrong/

Spitfires 4 types
Mk1
MkV- subtype Seafire IIC /one variant of armament , 2 diferent engines/
MkIX - 2 subvariants of armaments /not fit correct to current AH model/
MkXIV -2 subvariants of armaments

not much

P-47  - 3 types
D11 -4 subvariants of amament
D25 -4 subvariants of amament
D30 -4 subvariants of amament

bf109 3 types
109E - 1 subvariants of amament
109F - 2 subvariants of amament
109G- 10 subvariants of amament/3 diferent engines, 3 diferent planes anyway/
              G2 - 2 subvariants of amament
              G6 - 4 subvariants of amament
              G10 - 4 subvariants of amament /can be counted as K type- performance/

[funkedup]

Originally posted by -ammo-
You had a large influence on the D25 being skinned in Brazilian colors I believe, stating that would bring some folks from WB's to here.

Yep I posted it on the forums, repeating what the CO of the biggest Brasilian WB squad had told me.  I don't know if Pyro had already thought of it or not.

Around the same time the "hybrid" Spit IV we have came out with a brand new skin featuring your squad colors.

No the Spit IX was one of the earliest AH planes, and it doesn't have 308 colors.

What do you want?  Your cake and you want to eat 5 peices too?

Yes.

[funkedup]

Originally posted by Karnak
HTC has never responed to the Spitfire MkIX issues raised here, at least not that I have seen.

They have.  Pyro answered some engine/performance questions, and I remember one of the artists chiming in about either the wing pylons of the cannon tubes.  I think there is a general trend of them responding less frequently to specific airplane issues, because it only encourages us plane-whiners when they do so.  

[Karnak]

Originally posted by funkedup
They have.  Pyro answered some engine/performance questions, and I remember one of the artists chiming in about either the wing pylons of the cannon tubes.  I think there is a general trend of them responding less frequently to specific airplane issues, because it only encourages us plane-whiners when they do so.  

I posted that two years ago.  It may have been true for me at that time, but I have certainly seen Pyro make statements about the Spitfire Mk IX in AH.

It is also possible that I meant it as a statement that they have never said "Yes, we'll fix it when we get some time." or "Buzz off, it is staying how it is." and have been silent on the whole "The Spitfire MK IX in AH is a mish mash, is it going to be fixed?" question.  I still have not seen a response to this question.

I honestly don't recall.


I certainly agree with your sentiment that it only encourages whining when they directly respond.  I'm fine with their comments showing up for the first time in the release notes of a new version.  Of course this also means that they would be eternally silent on an issue if their response would be, if spoken aloud, "Buzz off, it is staying how it is."

[-ammo-]

funked said-
No the Spit IX was one of the earliest AH planes, and it doesn't have 308 colors.

I can't honestly say I remember what skin the spit had prior to its change, and i don't know what unit its present skin represents.  It did change, and it is a Polish unit now.

[straffo]

Originally posted by -ammo-
 Your cake and you want to eat 5 peices too?
 

Just for Funked french version of this :

"C'est vouloir le beurre ,l'argent du beurre et la crémiére."

[GScholz]

Well I’ve said my piece and I stand by it. Some of you Spit enthusiasts are deluding yourselves though, especially you Furball if you base your believes on a British test of the 109E flown by a British pilot who obviously didn’t know how to.

“When fully airborne, the pilot of the Spitfire reduced his revolutions to 2,650 rpm and was then able to overtake and outclimb the Me 109. At 4,000 ft, the Spitfire pilot was 1,000 feet above the Me 109, from which position he was able to get on its tail, and remain there within effective range despite all efforts of the pilot of the Me 109 to shake him off.”

Obviously the 109 pilot didn’t try the “standard” negative-G dive used by the Germans, and left the Spit standing still.

The 109E and the Spit I has very similar climb rates up to about 8000 feet, after that the 109E had a major climb advantage, as the AH performance charts also show. The test was performed at low alt … how very convenient.

Over 8000 feet the 109E is vastly superior to the Spit Ia. The German bombers generally operated between 10k and 15k, wonder where the fights were fought? Hmmmm …

[Karnak]

GScholz,

I am a Spit fan, but I agree with you that the Bf109E was in most ways superior to the Spitfire Mk I.

I think the gap closes when looking at the Spitfire Mk Vb and the Bf109F-4, with the Bf109F-4 being slightly better, and is then reversed with the introduction of the Spitfire Mk IX after which the Spitfire maintains overall superiority to one degree or another.

[Nashwan]

Over 8000 feet the 109E is vastly superior to the Spit Ia. The German bombers generally operated between 10k and 15k, wonder where the fights were fought? Hmmmm …

The Spit should be quite a bit faster than the 109 at altitude, as much as 20mph difference at 17,000ft, rising to nearer 30 mph above 20,000ft.

[GScholz]

Climbrate is the killer in an E fight ... unless you just want to run