Author Topic: Why is the JU88 in Aces High? (Read 1143 times)

Urchin · « **on:** September 01, 2001, 03:48:00 PM »

The plane sucks, at least in my opinion. It carries about the same bombload as a B17. The B17 is faster, climbs faster, has more guns, and definately has a MUCH greater range.

Furthermore, the 50 kg bombs won't take out a fuel or ammo on a direct hit, but a 100 pounder will. I thought 50 kg was actually MORE than 100 pounds? Why is that?

The torpedos on the JU88 could be nice, except since the torpedos are actually slower than the ships you are shooting them at, you have to land on the deck of the enemy carrier to drop them. Since the enemy fleet will be shooting at you, this isn't healthy.

What are the chances that HTC could simply remove the JU88 from the list of bombers (and I sincerely doubt anyone would miss it), and convert the plane to the nightfight-bomber destroyer varient? Maybe then the plane would have a use in the MA.

Fatty · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2001, 03:51:00 PM »

I like it.

AN · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »

JU88 is a blast in a furball!

anRky

Fishu · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »

Ju88A-4 just has got lost from wrong time line in AH.
AH seems mostly based on 1943-45, but our A-4 is from the times of BoB.

Thats the problem.. If they would keep on correct time line with LW bombers/jabos, they would of made/make S-serie Ju.

Next we'll get Ju-87B.. yes, you heard right, not the D or G

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2001, 05:41:00 PM »

I like the Ju88. It is one of the 3 bombers I use in AH, along with the Lanc and the Il-2.

Hell no, don't remove it.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is the big airfields get legthened runways so the heavies could take off without a crosscountry run and then limit the heavies to only those fields.

That way if you wanted a 6,000lb bombload and to fly from a small or medium field, you'd have to take the Ju88.

Urchin · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »

That might not be a bad idea. However, I STILL don't really see the point of the plane. I took 25% fuel (because I figured it was a buff)- the plane climbs at 750 feet per minute on 25% fuel, plus thats only enough gas for maybe 2 sectors of flight. I shudder to think what the climb rate is on 100% fuel, and I'm not going to fly it again to find out.

I guess I'm asking what the Ju-88's niche is in AH. We've got the Lancaster for lugging the heavy loads, the B17 for light loads that you KNOW are going to make it to the target (thats what all those guns are for), the TBM for carrier operations, the IL2 for tankbusting, ackbusting, and vulching- and the Ju-88 for...? If you feel like carrying the B17's bombload but DON'T want the firepower to ensure you make it to the target? Is that what it is there for?

When I'm flying around and see a Ju-88, I'm thinking "There is a free kill"- because that is exactly what it is. I've been shot down by a JU-88 ONCE, in 4 months- and those are the only bomber I'll attack from dead 6 even if I KNOW they see me coming. The one time I died was because I had already killed 2 other Ju-88s (from dead 6), and I went after a 3rd one- I guess those little bullets add up.

I could even see flying that plane if it climbed faster than a B17, because that is a sort of protection in itself, but it doesn't. It climbs as slow as the Lancaster does, and it only carries a third of the payload.

Why do you fly it Karnak? For the same reason I flew the Ta-152 (because nobody else does)? I honestly can't think of a reason to pick it over any other bomber.

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2001, 07:15:00 PM »

Hazed,

It has character. There is no logical reason to fly it though. I have noticed that it can take more damage than the B-26 my a significant margin, but its lack of guns negates that advantage.

It is pretty much a death trap, but I have gotten kills in it.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2001, 08:18:00 PM »

Urchin, the damage a single Ju88 can do at a large base in a single sortie:
1 - Kill VH.
2 - Kill all acks.
3 - Kill radar.
4 - Kill some fuel dumps.

It also is able to dive bomb enemy ships and if you place it in front of a CV in an interception course, you'll shink it for sure launching torps away from the ack range.

There is no other buff in the AH arsenal as versatile as the Ju.

Professor Fate · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2001, 08:18:00 PM »

because because because becaaaause of all the wonderfull things it does.

[ 09-01-2001: Message edited by: Professor Fate ]

2Late4U · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2001, 08:44:00 PM »

I use the JU-88 for ack and GV patrols. Its a wonderfuly effective GV killer, and is much more manuverable than a B17. Sure, there are other planes that can do most of the same mission, but it provides much needed variety.

Tac · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2001, 08:47:00 PM »

I love the Ju-88. Id fly it more if it climbed a bit faster OR had nose gun cannons (a fighter/jabo version).

The plane's bombload is ideal for neutralizing a small field's AAA, VH and radar. It eats a lot of damage compared to the B26 and is highly manouverable (heck and empty ju88 will outturn and outloop a lot of fighter here!).

Wish it had nose guns, that puppy when empty of ord climbs decently.. it'd make a great anti-buff and jabo plane.

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2001, 10:33:00 PM »

o/t

Urchin i sent you a private message

Replicant · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2001, 04:18:00 AM »

Although the defensive guns are not too brilliant (but can deal with the slow 6 approach easily), the plane itself is tough as hell and very manouvrable. As Mandoble pointed out, it can do some devastating damage and for a twin engined bomber that's an awful lot.

I don't fly the Ju88 much these days, but I find it one of the nicest, if not the best, planes to fly in AH. It just handles perfectly

Anyway, as lobbied loads of times... bring on a Ju88 with better guns, or a He177, or a Ju290.

Regards

Nexx

BenDover · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2001, 07:27:00 AM »

leave it in!!!! it makes good target practice

hazed- · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2001, 08:20:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak:
Hazed,

It has character. There is no logical reason to fly it though. I have noticed that it can take more damage than the B-26 my a significant margin, but its lack of guns negates that advantage.

It is pretty much a death trap, but I have gotten kills in it.

er.......no need to tell me about the ju88.I use it exclusively.
The ju88s strengh is its manouverability and its ordinance load.fantastic to destroy a VH and all ack and 1 500 left for any Gv.
the way to fly it? do not overload it, the RL combat loadout was kept around 4000lb and this is generally what i use 2x250 2x500 10x50, this kills a hanger and all acks with a few spare 50s. i never really take it over 10k.
on a bomb run it can make more runs in less time as it can reverse earlier than other bombers.When flying one DONT sit still and shoot.I absolutely love the ju88 but agree it is obsolete in MA.Only fools attack a ju88 from behind when almost every other angle is unprotected!(no offence but well its true).Fly it like a jabo and you wont go wrong

PS if you climb at 140 it touches 1k/min lift with a combat load and very little is lost if you fly a lot FASTER.(i climb at 170-180 when im alone on a sneak run)
The fuel load makes little difference from 25%-75% so take 75%(50% for best ballance in MA)and plan on fast in fast out.get good speed before you enter combat area.
hehe kinda turned into 'hazed tips' sorry!

if i had the choice though I would rather a later faster ju88 or a ju188 or a he-177.

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