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Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« on: July 31, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »
I think in flight refueling would help extend ranges of aircraft so that you could have longer missions. Also give the enemy something easy to kill. :lol
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 10:22:03 PM »
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2009, 11:03:37 PM »
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No, there was no mid-air refueling in WWII, however there are a good number of aircraft in AH that are capable of very long missions if you take the fuel for it.

All of the multi-engine bombers have long range.  The following list of fighters can fly for very long distances if you take full fuel and/or drop tanks:

A6M2
A6M5b
Bf110G-2
F6F-5
Ki-84-Ia
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38J
P-38L
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
Ta152H-1
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 11:05:10 PM »
 Contrary to those who haven't a clue and wanted to ridicule your question, the answer is YES. The German Luftwaffe had extensive mid-air refueling capabilities as well as towed fuel cells and winged fuel drones. The 1st operational refueling plane was a modified HE-177 A-1 and was fitted with the flexible MK 101Z mid-air refueling gear, this happened on Dec 23rd, 1941.
 Over the remaining course of the war, many more planes & types were outfitted in such a manner using various types of gear of which i know of at least 4 different types.
 If you would like to learn more, i recommend you get the book "Luftwaffe Over America" by Manfred Griehl
 ISBN-13: 978-0-7607-8697-0
 ISBN-10: 0-7607-8697-6

 This book deals directly with your question & has alot of pictures, technical drawings & specs.

 For you other "Tools", try turning off the History channel & pick up a book to get some real knowledge into your puny heads.

  :salute VIX

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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 11:08:18 PM »
Vixen,

None of the aircraft types in AH were capable of mid-air refueling.  Very few of any kind were and the uses for it were very specialized.  Saying it was "extensive" is pretty misleading.
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 11:11:09 PM »
Wow thankyou for the info i will make sure to check for the book and you right i do watch the military channle to much lol.  :salute
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2009, 12:26:11 AM »

 karnak, try rereading the question he asked & then rethink your stupitidy  :x

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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2009, 12:33:47 AM »
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 12:37:06 AM »
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No, there was no mid-air refueling in WWII, however there are a good number of aircraft in AH that are capable of very long missions if you take the fuel for it.

All of the multi-engine bombers have long range.  The following list of fighters can fly for very long distances if you take full fuel and/or drop tanks:

A6M2
A6M5b
Bf110G-2
F6F-5
Ki-84-Ia
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2-J
P-38J
P-38L
P-47N
P-51B
P-51D
Ta152H-1

You left out the Corsairs. The F4U-1 and F4U-1A have a total combat radius (out and back for those who need the distinction) exceeding 400 miles on internal fuel with plenty of gas for combat when using cruise settings (this is at 1.0 fuel burn, so obviously halve it for the Mains). That definitely puts them among the top tier of all fighters for endurance, especially if you include the drop tank.

The Brewster has very good endurance as well, although its speed limits its combat radius.

Vixen,

You can reread it too, because he's asking FOR in-flight refueling in the game. Karnak's response was perfectly valid, giving him a list of aircraft that have more than sufficient endurance for long sorties.
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 12:37:53 AM »
Its not a bad wish to be honest....it was used in WW2. Unlike many of the Twin Mustang type threads.

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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 12:43:59 AM »
Contrary to those who haven't a clue and wanted to ridicule your question, the answer is YES. The German Luftwaffe had extensive mid-air refueling capabilities as well as towed fuel cells and winged fuel drones. The 1st operational refueling plane was a modified HE-177 A-1 and was fitted with the flexible MK 101Z mid-air refueling gear, this happened on Dec 23rd, 1941.
 Over the remaining course of the war, many more planes & types were outfitted in such a manner using various types of gear of which i know of at least 4 different types.
 If you would like to learn more, i recommend you get the book "Luftwaffe Over America" by Manfred Griehl
 ISBN-13: 978-0-7607-8697-0
 ISBN-10: 0-7607-8697-6

 This book deals directly with your question & has alot of pictures, technical drawings & specs.

 For you other "Tools", try turning off the History channel & pick up a book to get some real knowledge into your puny heads.

  :salute VIX

I read this book a few months back.  Good information, but the writing style and flow from the author could have be a lot better.  He seemed to jump around quite a bit within sections.
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2009, 01:03:07 AM »
Vixen,

You can reread it too, because he's asking FOR in-flight refueling in the game. Karnak's response was perfectly valid, giving him a list of aircraft that have more than sufficient endurance for long sorties.

Exactly. Calling people "stupid" isn't a debating technique either Vixen, it's the mark of a politician with his back to the wall.
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2009, 01:13:09 AM »
you can also greatly extend the range of most planes in AH by flying them in a more historically correct manner. I have sent most of the past 3 months flying aircraft in game that I actually have the manuals for. It was very enlightening and I've learned several tricks to extend the range on most of the USN planes in the game. (Here's a hint, for most aircraft the max range settings are well below the lowest settings listed on the in-game E6B) 

As an example if you do a cruise climb in a F6F-5 with 100% fuel, 2 1000lbs bombs and 6 rockets you can climb to 16,000 feet and have 50 minutes of fuel on the E6B in the main arena's.

Granted it's slower than just firewalling the throttle, but you can get WAY more flight time if you drop the RPM and Manifold Pressure to the cruise settings listed on the E6B.
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Re: Was there in flight refueling in world war 2??????
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2009, 01:14:01 AM »
Vixen take your meds buddy, You dont need to insult anything that posts.