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Offline shreck

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F3 view
« on: August 03, 2009, 01:33:19 PM »
I was in TT over the weekend flying ju88, and making many folks look silly, had many folks augering all around me. Even gave a zeke a run for his money for quite awhile! If the ju88 had a single cannon, I would have killed many an enemy! Now I freely admit I was flying in F3 mode, none of this would have been possible without F3 view! So I say F3 should be for 4 engine bombers only and I wish it would be changed! It makes "UNREALISTIC" flying of twin engine bombers "COMMON PLACE" <----- This should not be so!! :aok

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 03:11:33 PM »
Quote from: shreck on August 03, 2009, 01:33:19 PM
I was in TT over the weekend flying ju88, and making many folks look silly, had many folks augering all around me. Even gave a zeke a run for his money for quite awhile! If the ju88 had a single cannon, I would have killed many an enemy! Now I freely admit I was flying in F3 mode, none of this would have been possible without F3 view! So I say F3 should be for 4 engine bombers only and I wish it would be changed! It makes "UNREALISTIC" flying of twin engine bombers "COMMON PLACE" <----- This should not be so!! :aok



So you think we should get rid of F3 view. But as long as we have it your going to use it...right?
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 04:07:11 PM »
Quote from: shreck on August 03, 2009, 01:33:19 PM
I was in TT over the weekend flying ju88, and making many folks look silly, had many folks augering all around me. Even gave a zeke a run for his money for quite awhile! If the ju88 had a single cannon, I would have killed many an enemy! Now I freely admit I was flying in F3 mode, none of this would have been possible without F3 view! So I say F3 should be for 4 engine bombers only and I wish it would be changed! It makes "UNREALISTIC" flying of twin engine bombers "COMMON PLACE" <----- This should not be so!! :aok



One day many, many years ago I was watching Drex fly a Ju88 against 6 bandits.  I stumbled upon him as he was in the middle of the fight against these 5 enemy planes so I hit WEP and dove in to lend him a hand.  By the time I got to him and splashed one of the bandits, he was just finishing off the 5th one.  Flew that thing around like it was a Spitfire, an amazing thing to see.


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Re: F3 view
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 04:09:06 PM »
So a Ju88 which has a mostly glass cockpit and 4 crew members should NOT have F3 view, but the Lancaster which has no downward visibility SHOULD have F3 view?


Yeah.


I'm not even going to speak about using a buff in a way it was not intended. (IE Dogfighting)

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 05:21:39 PM »
Quote from: Ack-Ack on August 03, 2009, 04:07:11 PM
One day many, many years ago I was watching Drex fly a Ju88 against 6 bandits.  I stumbled upon him as he was in the middle of the fight against these 5 enemy planes so I hit WEP and dove in to lend him a hand.  By the time I got to him and splashed one of the bandits, he was just finishing off the 5th one.  Flew that thing around like it was a Spitfire, an amazing thing to see.


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Re: F3 view
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 05:33:33 PM »
Quote from: Rich46yo on August 03, 2009, 03:11:33 PM
So you think we should get rid of F3 view. But as long as we have it your going to use it...right?

Well so many folks including you have replied in the past that "F3 view really doesn't help that much" Which I say---> BS I contend that without F3 Iwould have never been able to pull off what I was doin in TT this past weekend! With that said, IF F3 view is almost solely responsible for A20s, IL2s, and JU88s etc flying like fighters Then I would say F3 view matters allot and should be ONLY for 4 eng. bombers! F3 view makes a silly arcade game of an excellent product called  Aces High  :aok

As far as F3 view in lancs, well I can tell you lancs and any other 4 engine bird will not turn like an IL2, A20 or JU88, so F3 view in these birds ONLY enhances their situational awareness! It does not amplify their performance to rediculous levels as it does for IL2, A20 and JU88 etc  :aok

Also as far as I know it is impossible to shoot defensive guns accurately in a heavy buff while in F3 view! It is QUITE easy to shoot in F3 view with the other aircraft---> Quite easy indeed!!!!


At the minimum, how about making it so you CAN'T shoot in F3 view!!

F3 view in these birds is---> EASYMODE all the way  :aok   :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 05:54:00 PM »
+1.  Needs to be fixed.  You want to fly it as a fighter then you can really fly it like a fighter!
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 05:58:59 PM »
Quote from: waystin2 on August 03, 2009, 05:54:00 PM
+1.  Needs to be fixed.  You want to fly it as a fighter then you can really fly it like a fighter!

Do the additional crewmbers leave the plane once you're starting to maneuver in a Ju 88?

Historically they gave constant updates on approaching fighters, so that the Ju 88 could break away at the right moment.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 06:08:26 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on August 03, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
Do the additional crewmbers leave the plane once you're starting to maneuver in a Ju 88?

Historically they gave constant updates on approaching fighters, so that the Ju 88 could break away at the right moment.

Give them the view from any gun and that is it, end of list.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 06:20:15 PM »
So you're saying that because some people want to up <insert med/hvy buff name here> and use it as a fighter that the rest of us that fly them normally (most of the time) should be restricted in views?

Yeah if you can't kill a <insert med/hvy buff name here> in a moving dog fight then you need more help than you realize.

And shreck, stop using planes in the MA in unintended roles and then coming here complaining they need to be nerfed. A Ju88 is not a dog fighter, you know it, you just used it as one for the sole reason to complain about F3 view being unfair.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 06:24:14 PM »
Quote from: Beefcake on August 03, 2009, 06:20:15 PM
So you're saying that because some people want to up <insert med/hvy buff name here> and use it as a fighter that the rest of us that fly them normally (most of the time) should be restricted in views?

Yeah if you can't kill a <insert med/hvy buff name here> in a moving dog fight then you need more help than you realize.

And shreck, stop using planes in the MA in unintended roles and then coming here complaining they need to be nerfed. A Ju88 is not a dog fighter, you know it, you just used it as one for the sole reason to complain about F3 view being unfair.

The F3 view in flight is gamey.   Regardless of "intended/unintended roles". 
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 06:56:34 PM »
Didn't we just get done with this same whine err subject a few weeks ago? Last one was because shreck was getting killed by IL2. Now this one is because because he was maneuvering good in a pretty maneuverable attack plane? Like Iv said before give me an AI gunner that reflects my gunning skills and/or a crew that tells me where that enemy plane is whenever I want. Until then F3 is a game option in a game. You don't like it don't use it.
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: F3 view
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2009, 07:06:40 PM »
Thats just precious shreck. Flying them nintendo style and then coming here to complain about it. Might as well grab some Lancs and go dive bomb GVs with em. :lol

Tonight I saw some clown doing the Soul Train act with JUs. I dont know who it was. We had some Lanc-stuka heros come at us ay a GV base attack. Almost always its Bish. But Ive seen a few of our rook kiddies do it.

Boy i wish they'd fix the flight model of these bombers so they can only be flown like bombers.
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Re: F3 view
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2009, 07:28:22 PM »
Quote from: shreck on August 03, 2009, 05:21:39 PM
Well Drex is a superhero, I'm sure of it  :rock

Drex sucks, even he'll be the first to admit it.  :D


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Re: F3 view
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2009, 07:31:49 PM »
Quote from: Masherbrum on August 03, 2009, 06:08:26 PM
Give them the view from any gun and that is it, end of list.
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