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Offline salun

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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2009, 04:57:09 PM »
Computing Gunsights were first used int the F-86B. No aircraft in WWII had them
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2009, 05:49:25 PM »
Computing Gunsights were first used int the F-86B. No aircraft in WWII had them

As it's been stated in this thread WW2 did have lead computing gun sights, the following was taken from
http://www.cebudanderson.com/europe.htm

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A second development arrived later in the summer of 1944 in the form of a new gun sight. Eighth fighter aircraft were equipped with a fixed sight, called the N-3 and later N-9 gun sight,. Both sights were optical with a ring and dot of light called the "pipper," which projected onto the clear glass in front of the sight. The pilot looked at his target through the gun sight, putting the pipper on the target only when there was no angle off involved, which is from directly ahead or directly behind. To make a deflection shot, he estimated the angle off to the target and then placed the pipper ahead to get proper lead.

The new K-14 gyroscopic gun sight solved this problem for the pilot. the pilot used the k-14 much like the N-3 or N-9, but with a few exceptions. The K-14 had a dial attached to the throttle, which enabled the pilot to set a ring of diamonds around the target's wing span. Once the target's wing span was selected, the pilot placed the ring and pipper on the aircraft and maneuvered his fighter to keep the target centered for a brief second. The K-14 computed the range and angle of the target in relation to the attacking fighter, and moved the pipper to the proper aim point. The fighter pilot then moved the nose of his aircraft to center the pipper. Once this was accomplished, he could open fire on the target.

The idea has evolved since then, but they did have a gyroscopic sight that when fed the proper information would calculate the lead for the pilot,  The B-29 also had a mechanical computer that did much the same thing, in fact the gunners on the B-29 operated the turrets remotely. 

All that being said I still don't think they'd really bring anything to the game.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2009, 11:29:47 PM »
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2009, 12:25:41 AM »
Vinkman, we had a nice fight the other night. I would recommend you try something other than the P39 until you get comfortable with Aces High, the ballistics on the 37mm can be a bit tough at times.

If you're dead set on flying the P39, let me know and I can provide you a target in the TA where the lead computer sight is enabled. After a few passes, turn it off or you'll start to rely on it. From then on, I'd recommend you work offline on the drones until you can 'one pass' them from any direction and at any speed.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 07:47:53 AM »
Vinkman, we had a nice fight the other night. I would recommend you try something other than the P39 until you get comfortable with Aces High, the ballistics on the 37mm can be a bit tough at times.

If you're dead set on flying the P39, let me know and I can provide you a target in the TA where the lead computer sight is enabled. After a few passes, turn it off or you'll start to rely on it. From then on, I'd recommend you work offline on the drones until you can 'one pass' them from any direction and at any speed.

Also keep in mind the P-39D has three different guns with three different ballistics properties: Four .30cal, two .50cal and either a 37mm or 20mm. The Q is a little easier with 2-4 .50s and the 37mm, but either way mixed armaments can be very difficult to learn gunnery with, especially since the 37mm has such a low muzzle velocity (exception being aircraft that mix the Browning .50cal with the Hispano 20mm, both of which have very similar ballistics and muzzle velocity).
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2009, 08:28:15 PM »
Cant remember - is LCS available offline?
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 10:21:00 PM »
Computing Gunsights were first used int the F-86B. No aircraft in WWII had them

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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2009, 08:59:05 PM »
I think that it would throw my aim off, since I'm used to calculating lead for myself.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2009, 09:39:15 PM »
There are people that cant use what we have now and complain after each update that somethings changed and they cant hit anything. As an instinctive shooter I dont care but I will say that most people will only waste more ammo with a sight like you want if it is a recreation of the originals.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2009, 01:17:28 AM »
I find myself chasing the nme with the pipper instead of lining up my shots properly when using a lcs .

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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2009, 03:54:35 AM »
I find myself chasing the nme with the pipper instead of lining up my shots properly when using a lcs .

Yeah, me too...  I also hated the lead gunsight in AW...  My aim is traditionally horrible, but I've found these things make it traditionally worse...
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 01:45:13 PM »
OK.  No LCG in the game.  One reason I wanted it was exactly for training purposes so I could get an idea in the training arena of where I'm 'supposed' to be shooting. BUT I will settle for a new wish....
...Unlimited AMMO in the offline practice. It would save a lot of time when practicing gunnery on the drones

Also Great point by Saxman, I plotted up the bullet trajectories for all 3 guns as you said and found that setting the convergence of 37mm at 800yrd (some gave me that tip) was creating so much arc on the cannon that I could shoot right over a plane that the .50 cals were hitting at 400 yrds. I now picked different points for both that minimizes the vertical spread between the trajectories for distances less than 600 yrds. AND only shoot at targets less than 600. It helped quite a bit.

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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2009, 02:56:02 PM »
OK.  No LCG in the game.  One reason I wanted it was exactly for training purposes so I could get an idea in the training arena of where I'm 'supposed' to be shooting. BUT I will settle for a new wish....
...Unlimited AMMO in the offline practice. It would save a lot of time when practicing gunnery on the drones

Wish Granted...you can do both of these things in the game already! The LCG is only available offline and in the TA, and you can set up the ammo offline to what ever you want.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2009, 02:58:54 PM »
I'll send you massage when both on-line again.
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Re: Lead Computing Gun sight
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2009, 03:11:02 PM »
BUT I will settle for a new wish....
...Unlimited AMMO in the offline practice. It would save a lot of time when practicing gunnery on the drones


you can get 10x the ammo by going offline and goto:

Options/Arena Setup/Enviroment/Arena Settings/PlaneGunAmmoMult and set to 10

you can also turn on the Lead Computing Gun Sight by going to FlightModeFlags while in Arena Settings and click the box for it.
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