Author Topic: Minor critics on the D9. (Read 523 times)

Naudet · « **on:** March 10, 2001, 05:36:00 PM »

Overall i am very pleased with the new D) we have, and i really like the bird and it feels good to fly it. And it is really a competetive plane vs. the P51, P47, LA7 and even the tempest.

But i have 2 critic points that i would like to state here:

1. The engine has a max rpm off 3100 in AH, but actually the real Jumo 213A was capable of 3250 rpm and was used with the rpm.

2. The D9 in the arena of AH is about 4-6 mph slower at all alts than posted in the speed and climb charts at the AH Webpage. This may be caused by the missing 150 rpm the engine should do more.
All my speed test were flown randomly while rtb from a mission and so fuel load was normally not above 50%, and i flew straight and level for atleast 10-12 min and i zoomed on the speedometer to look if it moved any further before i recording the speed.

Vermillion · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2001, 08:26:00 PM »

I like the plane so far, I just hate to see so many of them and the way people are flying them.

They miss the HO, or 5 straight free gun passes, and then they run away. And I'm talking to Dora vs Dora, coE.

I wonder if Lazs predictions of everyone becoming ultra timid and only fighting with a huge advantage is gonna come true.

Not a slam of the Dora, its just the best plane for that job.

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[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-10-2001).]

Fishu · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2001, 08:50:00 PM »

Probably even worse at the moment when those are new planes.. always that 'new plane' hype there...

I hope that people wouldnt ruin the D9 as it is, since it feels pretty accurate to me what I've tried.
It would be unfortunate if LW would be forced to stick up with slow movers or flying darts aka G10

J_A_B · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2001, 12:25:00 AM »

The AH D-9 is performing exactly as it did in AW before they changed it...

It is the untimate runner/cherry-picker plane, displacing the P-51 in this role.

I am not saying it's a "bad" plane...indeed, it is one of the very best. However, those less inclined to fighting will gravitate to this airplane, instead of the P-51D. (I like the P-51 better, but that is my opinion. Tactically the 51 performs nearly as well, plus it handles a lot nicer.)

Remember the words "Dorka Dweeb". That phrase will soon make its way into AH as "runstang" already has.

Committed D-9 drivers should LIKE the fact that a most the people flying the D-9 won't be using it to its full advantage--it means the enemy will underestimate you

J_A_B

StSanta · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2001, 05:42:00 AM »

The 13Th TAS has an interesting way of flying their P-51's. They do it carefully, in teams and ensure that they have enough altitude to disengage.

Me and Kirin have a nasty habit of overstaying, of getting really really low before finally when we see too many red icons or inbound high enemies legging it.

That kills us, sometimes.

But we do this regardless of whether we're in an A5 or a D9. D9 just gives us a better chance of survival.

No matter if the D9 is fast, a high enemy diving on ya with good alt will catch ya

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We'll have to see how people use the D9 - as a Runstang or as a German Superior Über fighter.

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Naudet · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »

I know what u mean Santa, when u play in the brawl down low, there is always 2-3 guys that are way higher than u. Had to experience this bye myself.

And for the running there is one plane in that is far better than the D9 if u fly under 10k, its the LA7, i havent flown it yet, but from what i know it is capable of more than 400 mph on the deck. I already tried to chase one with my DORA but it was hopeless. I felt like driving a VW Käfer vs. a Porsche in a high speed race.

juzz · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2001, 06:30:00 AM »

The La-7 is faster down low, but it doesn't do 400mph! Only 382mph

Vermillion · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »

The D9 and the La7 are almost the exact same speed below 5k, and above that the Dora is much faster.

Now below 5k the La7 has better acceleration, so it will catch the Dora if its slow and accelerating, or it will win the drag race and get needed seperation to use its equal speed to run away.

But both are about the same speed down load, within a few mph. Especially if the Dora is carrying a normal fuel load (remember test speeds are done at 100% fuel and the Dora carries alot more, so if its carrying an arena fuel load it will do a little better).

Both are excellent aircraft in the arena.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

Pongo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2001, 10:21:00 AM »

If the D9 is really that popular it will feel it in perk points next tour. That will level it a bit.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2001, 01:37:00 PM »

Blah to all u D9 LA7 whatevers I like my G10!

C_R_Caldwell · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2001, 06:58:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo:
If the D9 is really that popular it will feel it in perk points next tour. That will level it a bit.

LOL, you are funny, Pongo ;?D .Firstly, the Dora-9 is one of the most anticipated a/c to enter the planeset in the history of AH. It's only natural that for the 1st couple of months at least, it's going to be used a LOT.

Secondly, if the D-9 were to be perked, then fighters like the P-51 (especially the 'B') & G-10 for their medium-hi alt performance & the La-7 for its low alt performance (btw, for those who say the La-7 performs well at low-alt only, check out at what alt it achieves its max TAS at).

Thirdly, if the popularity of a particular a/c in AH is a yardstick as to whether it should be perked or not, the F4U-1C, N1K2-J, and even the Spit IX would *all* be perked immediately.

Finally, I know that there is some frustration re: most Dora drivers not using their machine to its fullest (or anywhere near)in a fight at the moment.However, have a little patience.Many of these ppl are used to the Fw 190A, or as is the case occasionally, they are Chog/N1K/Spit drivers hoping to sample what they hope will be their new über dweeb-machine.

Having a machine that handles a lot like an A-8 but has the speed & acceleration/climb closer to that of a G-10 takes some practice to get used to.

Some ppl have referred to the D-9's armament as 'light'. Personally,IMHO, the C.202 has light armament.The Bf 109F-4 has light armament.The Dora-9 does not have light armament.The destructive potential of its 2 x 13mm heavy MGs & 2 x 20mm Mausers is similar to that of a P-51D. Where fighters armed with banks of 12.7mm Brownings have the advantage is that they can make relatively long range & high deflection shots because of the M2's high muzzle velocity.

Some have pointed out the fact that the D-9's guns are only really effective within 300-400 yards in a deflection shot, but the same can be said for most cannon-armed fighters (Spano-lasered a/c excepted).

When you mix a fighter with high speed & acceleration with guns that are truly effective at relatively close distance, then you get an a/c that is difficult to truly master, but once you have its measure, it should prove devestating...

CavemanJ · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2001, 08:58:00 PM »

CR

I believe Pongo was making refernce to HTC adjusting the spread for the Dora, similar to how they have done with the F4U-1C. Right now I think the -1C is the absolute worst kite to fly if you're interested in aquiring perk points quickly. If the Dora retains its current popularity it might verra replace the -1C in that position. The perk multipliers/values are based on a kite's popularity.

juzz · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2001, 11:22:00 PM »

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btw, for those who say the La-7 performs well at low-alt only, check out at what alt it achieves its max TAS at

So the Fw 190A-5 having it's top speed at 22k makes it better at high altitude than the D-9 with top speed at 18k?