This week: Invasion!

[Oldman731]

Let's see if frame rates are better on AvA Small.

- oldman


INVASION:  THEY'RE COMING

In the months leading up to D-Day,the Allied tactical
air forces strike coastal targets and airfields,
softening the Continent for the coming invasion.

In light of the recent graphics update this setup
utilizes the delightful AvA Small map.


ALLIES (Rooks)

A-20G
B-25C, H
B-26
C-47
Mosquito
P-38J
P-47D11, D25
P-51B
Spitfire Mk 9
Typhoon
Jeep
The M's
Firefly Sherman


AXIS (Bishops)

Me-109G6
Me-110G2
C-47
Fw-190A5, A8
Ju-88
Jeep
M-8
Pz IV
SdKfz 251
Tiger I
Ostwind
Wirblewind


SETTINGS

Visibility:  12.0 miles
Radar: Tower 158400, Sector 343200
Field Ack: low-level and puffy are both .50
Killshooter is on
Fuel burn rate is 1.0
Field capture: 10 troops (maproom hardness .0015)
Strat is disabled.

[Karnak]

The Spitfire F.Mk IX was no longer in service by this time and is inappropriate to the setting.  The Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (same as Spitfire LF.Mk IXe) would be the correct version for this time period.

Not that I expect you guys to care at all about history when it comes to Spitfires.

[fudgums]

Snide comment much?

[Karnak]

Snide comment much?

Just experience.

[gyrene81]

The Spitfire F.Mk IX was no longer in service by this time and is inappropriate to the setting.  The Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (same as Spitfire LF.Mk IXe) would be the correct version for this time period.

Not that I expect you guys to care at all about history when it comes to Spitfires.

I think you're off a bit...D-Day was June 6, 1944...that Spitfire didn't get into production until October 1944.

In June 1940 the American engine company Packard started to build their own variant of the Rolls Royce Merlin engine. This American built engine was primarily for use in the P-51 Mustang, but in early 1944 the engine was placed in a Spitfire and the aircraft was named the Mk XVI. Production began in October 1944 and the aircraft entered service the very next month with the Coltishall Wing. They used the Spitfire as a fighter/bomber on attacks on the German V-2 rocket sites.

From the spitfire society website.

[TwinTail]

Today (the 13th on august) first day of BoB - Day of the Eagle

[eagleheartone]

I poped int ther yesterday to take a look, one thing I found...Allies have not tanks, but the axis has the panzer.  What is this, axis needs that big of an edge or what. lol   Bet yall axis having a cow now...it's ok.  just wondering if the allies tanks will be coming soon.

Eagle

[captain1ma]

more then likely its just a configuration problem. has nothing to do with giving anyone an "edge".

[Oldman731]

The Spitfire F.Mk IX was no longer in service by this time and is inappropriate to the setting.  The Spitfire LF.Mk XVI (same as Spitfire LF.Mk IXe) would be the correct version for this time period.

Not that I expect you guys to care at all about history when it comes to Spitfires.

Good to hear from you, Karnak, would be good to see you in there now and again.

Spit 16 might have been accurate for all I know, although gyrene thinks otherwise.  From a practical standpoint it ruins the setup completely.  109G6s and FW 190 A-variants have not a hope.  Spit 9 is all the Allies need.

And anyway, the setup has come and gone!


- oldman

[Anaxogoras]

Here we go again.  Where's CorkyJr to explain that a Spit XVI differs from a LF IXe in name only?

If you added the 109G-14 as a sub for the 109G-6/AS, then you'd a have a counter to the Spit XVI, and everything would be, more or less, historically accurate.

Btw, shouldn't the P-51D be there as well?

[Oldman731]

Here we go again.  Where's CorkyJr to explain that a Spit XVI differs from a LF IXe in name only?

If you added the 109G-14 as a sub for the 109G-6/AS, then you'd a have a counter to the Spit XVI, and everything would be, more or less, historically accurate.

Btw, shouldn't the P-51D be there as well?

And then you have TWO substitutions.  The AH Spit 9 is more than enough airplane to take on the G6s and FWs.

The D model 51 started coming into service in June, 1944, so the B is correct for this period.

oldman

[Anaxogoras]

And then you have TWO substitutions.  The AH Spit 9 is more than enough airplane to take on the G6s and FWs.

Come on, you don't have a leg to stand on to criticize substitutions when you're making planeset choices based on relative performance instead of history.

It's a fact that some Spitfires were the same aircraft but had different names.  It's like saying, "no there were P-51C's, not P-51B's, so the P-51B is a substitution."  The logic isn't there.

As for the 109G-6/AS, it performed better than the 109G-14, so I don't see reason to object to that one either.

[Dinan]

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[captain1ma]

<sigh> does it ever end?

[Karnak]

I think you're off a bit...D-Day was June 6, 1944...that Spitfire didn't get into production until October 1944.

From the spitfire society website.

In June 1940 the American engine company Packard started to build their own variant of the Rolls Royce Merlin engine. This American built engine was primarily for use in the P-51 Mustang, but in early 1944 the engine was placed in a Spitfire and the aircraft was named the Mk XVI. Production began in October 1944 and the aircraft entered service the very next month with the Coltishall Wing. They used the Spitfire as a fighter/bomber on attacks on the German V-2 rocket sites.

That grossly over simplifies things.  The engine in the Spitfire Mk XVI was not the engine used in any P-51.  It was a Packard built Merlin 66 with the full throttle height about 1000ft higher and using American tooling thus requiring different tools for maintainance, and that tooling difference is the reason for it being called a Mk XVI instead of a Mk IX.  If you compare the performance curves on the AH Spitfire Mk VIII (Merlin 66) with the Spitfire Mk XVI's (Merlin 266) you will notice that the full throttle altitudes are the same.  In otherwords the aircraft labeled as a "Spitfire Mk XVI" in AH is actually a Spitfire LF.Mk IXe powered by a Merlin 66 and not a Spitfire Mk XVI at all.


And yes, using the Bf109G-14 as a stand in for the Bf109G-6/AS should be done for the same reasons.