Fw 190G-8

[funkedup]

It's basically a Fw 190F-8 with ETC 503 wing racks for drop tanks or 250 kg bombs.  Add in the 500 kg centerline bomb and you've got 2200 lb bombload.  Sure it will fly like a drunk pig with this load but it would be useful.  

And it should be a very simple variant to make.  Just change the wing F-8 pylons, remove the cowl MG's, and make a new skin.  Or use the same skin, leave the MG's on, and call it a Fw 190F-8/U1.

[R4M]

No need when a decent number of operational F8s had those pylons too.

Want me to post pics of an operational 190F8 with DTs during summer'44 in france, Funked?.

[funkedup]

You mean an F-8/U1?

[R4M]

Originally posted by funkedup:
You mean an F-8/U1?

Pic caption says "190F8". Seems was a photo taken during summer of 1944. The plane is camouflaged with vegetation to avoid being spotted by allied planes. The underwing drop tanks are clearly visible.

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[AKSWulfe]

The F8/U-1 was a two seat trainer that was never built.

The U-2 and U-3 were designed to carry a center mounted torpedo bomb.

From: The Great Book of World War II Airplanes
-SW

[R4M]

The two seat trainer of the Fw190 series whas the 190S. Maybe there was a prototype called F8/U1, but Funked is basically right when he says that the F8/U1 was the one usually fitted with wing racks for DTs. When the 190G series came to a stop the F8/U1 was the version wich should take on the long range jabo role of the Fw190 equipped ground attack geschwaders.

However what I try to point is that

1-F8/U1 existed and was perfectly operational using wind 250kg bombs and drop tanks.

and

2-Not only the U1s were fitted with wing racks for 250kg-bombs and DTs.

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[funkedup]

2-Not only the U1s were fitted with wing racks for 250kg-bombs and DTs

How can you say this?

By definition, an F-8 with ETC 503 is an F-8/U1.

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[R4M]

How?...because several jabo versions of the Fw190A5 and Fw190A8 were able to carry that loadout,too

Not to mention that several night jabo Rüsatze versions of the 190F8 were able to carry the DTs or wing bombs.  

As you see, not just the 190F8s were able to carry those wing loads, funked   .

Just for the record, the normal Fw190F8s were able to carry either 50kg, 70kg or 160kg bombs in the wing racks. There was another thread down in the forum describing those loadouts.

Will do some research to see if 190F8 not being U1s were able to carry the 250kg bombs and/or DTs, too.

The wing rockets were used from late 1944 onwards and were able to make IS-2s blow like torches. I really think we DO miss them in the F8 inventory.


By the way, Funked...allow me to take this freedom...

 

Originally posted by FunkedUp:
F-8/U1 replaced the G-8 in production and was nearly identical. These were mass produced. They generally used either a centerline DT + 2 wing bombs or a centerline bomb + 2 wing DT, but for short range missions the 2 x 250 kg + 1 x 500 kg loadout could be used.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=000725

 

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[funkedup]

RAM F-8 with ETC 503 is a U1.  That's what a U1 is.  Maybe another U or R number (torpedo plane?) had the ETC 503 too, but if there is no U or R then there is no ETC 503.

All of the A series planes with wing racks had U or R designations too.

Your argument would be like if I found a picture of a Mustang with a bubble canopy and the caption said "P-51 Mustang".  Then I could argue that because it said only "P-51" that any P-51 could also have a bubble canopy.

And I don't know why you post that quote of me, because it agrees 100% with my posts on this thread!

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[R4M]

Originally posted by funkedup:
All of the A series planes with wing racks had U or R designations too

Of course...and the 30mm-cannon fitted Fw190A8 was an R2...and the 109G6 with DT was an R(1?)...and the wing gondola G6 was an R6...

etc etc etc..why start nitpicking on "if it was an R or an U?...what matters was that the wing 250kg bombs WERE used in teh A series (And not just in a couple, BTW, the Fw190A5s with wing racks were quite very used in jabo raids over britain).

It was used. In numbers. The designation "excuse" is a poor one  . Why isnt the option there?

 

Originally posted by funkedup:
And I don't know why you post that quote of me, because it agrees 100% with my posts on this thread!

Because you seem to be asking for the F8 to be replaced by a G8. No need to do it because according with that quote (according to the quote because I dont have any figures on production numbers), the Fw190F8/U1 was a MASS produced version of the F8 series. Wich would make the ETC503 wing rack for the 190F8 an even more legitim claim than what it is at this moment.

If the F8/U1 was a mass-produced version then why to title this thread "fw190G8" instead of "Fw190F8"?  

Another little present for the people...this was posted in http://www.hitechcreations.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=9&t=001637

   

Purty, isnt it?  

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[funkedup]

My first post asks for G-8 OR F-8/U1.

I'm going to shut up now because I think as usual we basically agree but are arguing because we are idiots.    

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[R4M]

Originally posted by funkedup:
My first post asks for G-8 OR F-8.

I'm going to shut up now because I think as usual we basically agree but are arguing because we are idiots.    

Funked, my answers are not nitpicking. That the loads were used on a "R-whatever" or "U-whatever" modification doesn't mean it can't be modelled in a generic Fw190F/A weapon option. In the first post you say "or change the F8 for an F8/U1"...

What the heck?. Why?. Let it as it is!!!!!!!!!

For instance the Fw190A5 lacks all the jabo options of the U3 jabo version even when those saw WIDE service. Why?. The wing rockets are there (wich makes it an Fw190A5/R6, yet noone seem to mind its listed under a "Fw190A5" mark). Why are the rockets there and not the wing bombs and DTs (not to mention the option to remove the useless cowl MGs)?

Why does the 190F8 lack the wing bombs and DTs?. Because is not listed as an F8/U1?. Please, that is laughable!

Where are the weapon options for the Jabo 190s?. We are talking about one of the most versatile planes in the war (the most versatile german plane,period) and we are discussing the issue. Heck, isnt this funny or what?

weren't the mosquitoes with 500lbs bombs in the bay a "serie 2" FB VI?...where is the "series 2" in the hangar list?. I dont see it. Remove the 500lb bomb option,please   (this is just kidding  ).

Why does the F8 lack the bombs?. And the DTs?. And the rockets?
...

Months asking, still waiting for an answer. And people still wonder why I'm pissed  

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[Sundog]

What about the rockets as well? (Well, at least my 1/48 scale F-8 has the rockets)  

[niklas]

note the external air intakes of the supercharger in the photo from R4M. The F series had two of them by default.

Someone should tell it Natedog

niklas

[R4M]

Originally posted by niklas:
note the external air intakes of the supercharger in the photo from R4M. The F series had two of them by default.

Someone should tell it Natedog

niklas

Was just wondering about it at this moment, niklas, but was not sure that they were what they seem...wtf are doing those supercharger intakes in a low-level attack plane?
   

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