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Offline Soviet

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« on: December 02, 2001, 07:23:00 PM »
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Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2001, 07:27:00 PM »
I think they usually added the Iron Cross, rather than the Swastikas on militaty equipment. Anyone confirm this?

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2001, 07:28:00 PM »
AH is a game that is played in amny different nations, including Germany.  Having swastikas is a big no-no for games in Germany.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2001, 08:00:00 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2001, 08:22:00 PM »
Why not an option to turn them on or off. I think Janes WW2 Fighters had this, every CD that shipped had the swastikas in it but those shipped to sensitive countries had the swastika turned off.

I cant see any reason for HTC to do the same.


PS make it impossible to capture swastikas in films or screens, if you are worried about that.


My opinion is that LW planes just dont look right ithout them on the tail.

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2001, 08:41:00 PM »
not just about senstivities its against the law.

I dont see any real need for them.

We got enough folks in here throwing around the term "nazi" imagine what would happen if the plane with the big swastika on it shoots down some morons p51?

I can almost hear seeker now.....

besides this aint ww2 its a game anything that distracts us from havin fun is BS.

and a swastika would.......

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2001, 09:12:00 PM »
I agree that the German equipment looks sort of funny without the proper markings.  

I also understand HTC's legal obligations to its German customers though, so I guess it's just sort of something that they don't have much choice over.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2001, 09:14:00 PM »
Some people might be offended by it (I'm not one of them), but then those that would be offended probably don't fly any of the LW planes anyway (even without it).  If the symbol bothers you or the history bothers you or whatever...what are you doing flying a WW2 sim?  If you go to the local hobby shop and pick up a plastic 109 model, it'll have swastikas on the decal sheet.  But, like Karnak and Wotan said, I guess it's illegal in Germany.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2001, 09:25:00 PM »
German law would require banning AH there if Nazi symbols were displayed. There are no laws I'm aware of that would do the same over the Japanese national symbol(nor is there the political comparison you attempt to make - the "Rising Sun" would be a closer comparison). The "meatball" is more akin to the German cross.
 
 Even here in the U.S., where people ARE allowed to display that tasteless and offensive symbol in public (and not even have to use the excuse of "game immersion"), there is a generation of heros (ever dwindling) that fought the tyranny it represented and would probably be ashamed of descendents who argued for it's use, no matter what the reasoning behind the argument.

 Most players who make a big deal of wanting swatikas displayed in games and other public forums (often under the guise of "added realism")quite often are, themselves, vulgar and immature individuals with no real sense of propriety. Here's hoping that you, Soviet, are an exception to that and are merely unaware of the sensible reason behind not including the display of the swastika in a game that shouldn't have anything incorporated into it's design that many would find offensive.


 
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let me guess it's too offensive for some?  I find the Japanese red dot offense, they bombed our harbor and strafed civilians after all GET IT AWAY GET IT AWAY i demand it's removal    :rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2001, 09:31:00 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2001, 10:02:00 PM »
Why or how ... do you feel "strange" flying without them?

 Perhaps you're talking about making screenshots later. I suppose you could use a photo editor and insert swastikas.

 Maybe your squad likes to fly close formation and admire each other's swast ... errrr .... planes.

 Either way ....

 I'm worried about you, man.

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2001, 10:03:00 PM »
I honestly don't see the need for them, political sensativities (and laws to) aside.  As far as I know, the swastikas were only on the tail... and you can't SEE it anyway, even if it were on there.  And it isn't like a little swastika on the tail is gonna make a huge difference when you are shooting someone down (which is practically the only time you'd see it anyway).  It would have no impact at all on gameplay, so why even bother?  

As far as I'm concerned, the 190 and 109 look normal without it, so I can't see any purpose in adding it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2001, 10:56:00 PM »
I'd prefer my plane without one... for one, I don't like the idea of having a swastika on my aircraft, and two, it just feeds the 'you are all nazis!' people.  The iron cross means the country, the swastika means the political system... and a whole bunch of nasty toejam... therein lies the difference.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2001, 08:33:00 AM »
"I cant see any reason for HTC to do the same."

 Why would HTC expend any amount of effort for something so contoversial just to make it a user option?  I'd rather have working landing hook graphics or the historically correct colors on the landing gear struts.

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2001, 09:30:00 AM »
Exactly... or they could spend that time on a choice of a couple different paint jobs for each aircraft ( :) gotta sneak that in where I can), or even just taking another pass over some of the first aircraft cockpits/textures.