HAPPY VJ DAY!!!

[Xasthur]

See Rule #4

You make light of the sacrifices other nations made?

Our soldiers died the same way yours did, you arrogant avacado.

Given the arena, I must choose my words carefully.... You are an ignorant banana and I sincerely hope that you get the slap in the face you so desperately deserve.

[edit] It seems the word filter has had its way with my post.... If you even have a brain capable of imagination, Hooch, I'm sure you can figure it out.

[1pLUs44]

You make light of the sacrifices other nations made?

Our soldiers died the same way yours did, you arrogant avacado.

Given the arena, I must choose my words carefully.... You are an ignorant banana and I sincerely hope that you get the slap in the face you so desperately deserve.

[edit] It seems the word filter has had its way with my post.... If you even have a brain capable of imagination, Hooch, I'm sure you can figure it out.

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[Ack-Ack]

Are you all saying Japan was willing to fight with every last man, woman and child, therefore creating the possibility of millions dead or injured on both sides of the war, and that this was the biggest reason for using the atom bomb?

Yes and to also shorten the war.  An invasion of Japan would have caused the war in the Pacific to last at least 3 more years, probably more.  Some US Army studies at the time concluded that it would take at least 5 years to fully pacify the Japanese main islands and at least 3 to 5 more years for any counter-insurgency operations. 

If you still doubt the fanaticism of the Japanese soldier, just look at the ones that didn't surrender until years after the war.

• Captain Sakae Ōba, who led his company of 46 men in guerrilla actions against US troops following the Battle of Saipan, did not surrender until December 1, 1945, three months after the war ended.
• Yamakage Kufuku and Matsudo Linsoki, two machine gunners, surrendered on Iwo Jima in January 1949.

• Private 1st Class Yūichi Akatsu continued to fight on Lubang Island from 1944 until surrendering in the Philippine village of Looc on March 1950
• Corporal Shōichi Shimada continued to fight on Lubang Island until he was killed in a clash with Philippine soldiers in May 1954
• Private Bunzō Minagawa held out from 1944 until May 1960 on Guam.
• Sergeant Tadashi Itō, Minagawa's superior, surrendered days later, May 23, 1960 on Guam
• Corporal Shoichi Yokoi, who served under Ito, was captured on Guam in January 1972.
• Private Kinshichi Kozuka held out with Onoda for 28 years until he was killed in a gunbattle with Philippine police in October 1972.
• Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda, who held out from December 1944 until March 1974 on Lubang Island in the Philippines with Akatsu, Shimada and Kozuka, surrendered to his former commanding officer in March 1974.
• Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda, who held out from December 1944 until March 1974 on Lubang Island in the Philippines with Akatsu, Shimada and Kozuka, surrendered to his former commanding officer in March 1974.
• Captain Fumio Nakahira reportedly surrendered in the Philippines in April 1980 [Not confirmed]

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[Masherbrum]

So, did we firebomb Japanese civilians or soldiers?

You want the truth?   Here goes Kermit.   Nagasaki and Hiroshima were deliberately left untouched by bombs so they'd know "the effectiveness of both types of Atomic Bombs".   Kokura was spared because of cloud cover so Nagasaki was the "secondary target".   

Were there more civilians than soldiers?   Absolutely.   Were some soldiers present in either blast?   Absolutely, but my guess is about 5%.   

The only thing I had a problem with, was the "classless" of the original post.   There's a way to "go about things", but that wasn't right.   Especially from a 14 year old kid who hasn't the slightest clue in life yet and won't until about 25.   Sadly, someone fed him some of the BS he's already posted.   

Kermit, you and I have met in person.   So you know "it's all good" and no offense should be taken by any of this. 

[Masherbrum]

Yes and to also shorten the war.  An invasion of Japan would have caused the war in the Pacific to last at least 3 more years, probably more.  Some US Army studies at the time concluded that it would take at least 5 years to fully pacify the Japanese main islands and at least 3 to 5 more years for any counter-insurgency operations. 

If you still doubt the fanaticism of the Japanese soldier, just look at the ones that didn't surrender until years after the war.


• Captain Sakae Ōba, who led his company of 46 men in guerrilla actions against US troops following the Battle of Saipan, did not surrender until December 1, 1945, three months after the war ended.
• Yamakage Kufuku and Matsudo Linsoki, two machine gunners, surrendered on Iwo Jima in January 1949.
• Private 1st Class Yūichi Akatsu continued to fight on Lubang Island from 1944 until surrendering in the Philippine village of Looc on March 1950
• Corporal Shōichi Shimada continued to fight on Lubang Island until he was killed in a clash with Philippine soldiers in May 1954
• Private Bunzō Minagawa held out from 1944 until May 1960 on Guam.
• Sergeant Tadashi Itō, Minagawa's superior, surrendered days later, May 23, 1960 on Guam
• Corporal Shoichi Yokoi, who served under Ito, was captured on Guam in January 1972.
• Private Kinshichi Kozuka held out with Onoda for 28 years until he was killed in a gunbattle with Philippine police in October 1972.
• Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda, who held out from December 1944 until March 1974 on Lubang Island in the Philippines with Akatsu, Shimada and Kozuka, surrendered to his former commanding officer in March 1974.
• Lieutenant Hiroo Onoda, who held out from December 1944 until March 1974 on Lubang Island in the Philippines with Akatsu, Shimada and Kozuka, surrendered to his former commanding officer in March 1974.
• Captain Fumio Nakahira reportedly surrendered in the Philippines in April 1980 [Not confirmed]


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Also, was it Guam or Okinawa where the civilians believed the Japanese propoganda of "the white man intent to kill them"?   Which spurned the women to hold their children and jump off of 200ft cliffs.    It's been a while since I've read a book on either battle, so I'm rusty.   [/list]

[Masherbrum]

You make light of the sacrifices other nations made?

Our soldiers died the same way yours did, you arrogant avacado.

Given the arena, I must choose my words carefully.... You are an ignorant banana and I sincerely hope that you get the slap in the face you so desperately deserve.

[edit] It seems the word filter has had its way with my post.... If you even have a brain capable of imagination, Hooch, I'm sure you can figure it out.

ANZAC's (and the Poles) were the "backbone" of the 8th Army.   Reading "Eighth Army" by Robin Neillands showed the tenacity of their spirit in the North African Campaign to Italy.   

Their advance from El Alamein to Tunisia has to be one of the greatest military logistical feats of all time.

[RipChord929]

ANZAC's (and the Poles) were the "backbone" of the 8th Army.   Reading "Eighth Army" by Robin Neillands showed the tenacity of their spirit in the North African Campaign to Italy.   

Their advance from El Alamein to Tunisia has to be one of the greatest military logistical feats of all time.

All true Mash  , and don't forget the Indians, (from India)!!!
Some tough guys right there!!!
Here a little souvineer of mine, GENUINE ARTICLE TOO!!!  Not that Fake crap!!!

I'm a DOOOFISS, had to draw the thing... Now I have to bleed myself again!!!
I wonder how many left ears, this thing Whopped off

[Kermit de frog]

Masher, non has been taken.  <S>

Xasthur, your country men have given much in WWII and in also at Gallipoli in WWI.  Brave men indeed. 

[RipChord929]

It was Marpi Point on Saipan, My dad witnessed it!!!  I went there myself when I was passing thru...

RC

[Xasthur]

Masher, non has been taken.  <S>

Xasthur, your country men have given much in WWII and in also at Gallipoli in WWI.  Brave men indeed. 

Indeed. Also, it was not my intention to diminish the achievements and sacrifices of America...

Only to quash the ignorance of the cheerleaders who do not have the brain power to see past their own flag.

 

[Ack-Ack]

It was Marpi Point on Saipan, My dad witnessed it!!!  I went there myself when I was passing thru...

RC

You might enjoy this read then. 

Interview with Guy Gabaldon


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[bcadoo]

I'm in and out of people's homes every day working on PC's.  One of my customer's was going through her mother's albums and had this out on the desk.  This is what she wrote.  Very simple and to the point.

[DMBEAR]

Where I live, there are plenty of people who will yell in your face that the USA is evil and that we are the only country that ever nuked an enemy...  These people have no perspective.  Thank God we got the bomb before the Germans did, and thank God our leadership had the will to use it and save the lives of our fathers and grandfathers instead of invading the Japanese home islands.

No chit.

Why did we use the atom bomb?  What did Japan do for use to reasonable think the atom bomb would be a better idea than sending our military men?

Kermit, as much as i respect your WWII knowledge, don't you realize our incendiaries over all of their cities, and an amphibious assault on their mainland would have only been met w/ the same result + many more deaths on both sides?

for the decision to drop little boy.  I'm glad we didn't have a negotiator in office with the people that attacked Pearl Harbor for that decision.

Just think of what was in store if a full on invasion had to have taken place.


The invasion plans are fascinating. 

[Delirium]

I don't look upon VJ Day with much joy, however I probably would of lost both of my grandfathers during the invasion. I feel the day should be looked upon as another milestone in the history of this great nation and in the history of the world. It signaled the end of an era and the start of a new one where people of all nations had to live in fear of Armageddon caused by fellow humans. I also wish the Soviet Union could of been handled differently both during WWII and afterwards, averting the Cold War altogether.

Some good came out of the war as well, like the advances in science, but the human cost was too high on all sides for military and civilians alike.

I was very surprised to see the History Channel posting 'Happy VJ Day' above their logo yesterday, the few people that have no idea what it means could of benefitted from the information but more than likely they wouldn't be watching the History Channel anyway.

[Masherbrum]

I don't look upon VJ Day with much joy, however I probably would of lost both of my grandfathers during the invasion. I feel the day should be looked upon as another milestone in the history of this great nation and in the history of the world. It signaled the end of an era and the start of a new one where people of all nations had to live in fear of Armageddon caused by fellow humans. I also wish the Soviet Union could of been handled differently both during WWII and afterwards, averting the Cold War altogether.

Some good came out of the war as well, like the advances in science, but the human cost was too high on all sides for military and civilians alike.

I was very surprised to see the History Channel posting 'Happy VJ Day' above their logo yesterday, the few people that have no idea what it means could of benefitted from the information but more than likely they wouldn't be watching the History Channel anyway.

That was my initial comment to myself upon just reading the Thread Title.