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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2009, 12:40:25 AM »
I don't look upon VJ Day with much joy, however I probably would of lost both of my grandfathers during the invasion. I feel the day should be looked upon as another milestone in the history of this great nation and in the history of the world. It signaled the end of an era and the start of a new one where people of all nations had to live in fear of Armageddon caused by fellow humans. I also wish the Soviet Union could of been handled differently both during WWII and afterwards, averting the Cold War altogether.

Some good came out of the war as well, like the advances in science, but the human cost was too high on all sides for military and civilians alike.

I was very surprised to see the History Channel posting 'Happy VJ Day' above their logo yesterday, the few people that have no idea what it means could of benefitted from the information but more than likely they wouldn't be watching the History Channel anyway.


The Cold war was just that.  Was our proliferation not a deterent to the great reaches of aggression by the Soviet Union?  When were we attacked?   I think we can claim victory.





Is it more humane to kill off your enemy completely, or show such force that they give up to survive and adapt?

That question is still alive today.  How do you kill off an enemy that strengthens itself with Martyrs?

I say kill them all that already believe this.  Kill all the people that train them to believe this.  Kill all the people that financially support this training.

Finally, vote out the people that don't understand this is going on.





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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2009, 11:23:47 AM »

Why did we use the atom bomb?  What did Japan do for use to reasonable think the atom bomb would be a better idea than sending our military men?

Kermit should watch this:

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/Jon_Stewart,_War_Criminals_&_The_True_Story_of_the_Atomic _Bombs/1808/
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2009, 11:43:44 AM »
Kermit should watch this:

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/Jon_Stewart,_War_Criminals_&_The_True_Story_of_the_Atomic _Bombs/1808/

I know your M.O.   You're adding simple ad hominem to this discussion.  NO ONE is "doubting the use of the Atomic Bombs".   So I guess, maybe take a reading comprehension class in your spare time?
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2009, 11:53:03 AM »
Kermit should watch this:

http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburner_/Jon_Stewart,_War_Criminals_&_The_True_Story_of_the_Atomic _Bombs/1808/

Good video.
I am in favor of using the bomb on those Japanese cities.

But my original question; Was it wrong of Japan to make their civilians into soldiers by stating that every man, woman and child would defend their island?
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2009, 11:54:32 AM »
I know your M.O.   You're adding simple ad hominem to this discussion.  NO ONE is "doubting the use of the Atomic Bombs".   So I guess, maybe take a reading comprehension class in your spare time?

It has been "doubted" many times, and maybe you don't have a life, have the time and like to read through 5 pages of babble, but I don't care to do it.  Kermit asked a question, maybe rhetorical, but I think it is an interesting clip to watch regardless for any who don't understand the need was there to use the bomb.

Now, get a life.
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2009, 11:55:21 AM »
Good video.
I am in favor of using the bomb on those Japanese cities.

But my original question; Was it wrong of Japan to make their civilians into soldiers by stating that every man, woman and child would defend their island?

Right or wrong?  Who cares.  They did.  We prepared to fight them with that in mind.  Luckily it didn't come to that.

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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2009, 11:58:49 AM »
Good video.
Was it wrong of Japan to make their civilians into soldiers by stating that every man, woman and child would defend their island?

Just about every action the Japanese took during WWII was wrong, and using the whole population to fight war might be justified if your nation is attacked, but in the historical context of WWII, where Japan had been the aggressor, yes, I think it would have been wrong.   If a nation has to use it's women and children to fight, it is time to surrender to save lives.   Sadly the war was the desire and result of the Japanese military complex, not the citizen population.
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2009, 11:59:30 AM »
Now, get a life.

Sorry Parolee, I have one.   
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2009, 12:01:55 PM »
Sorry Parolee, I have one.   

Ohhh, ouch, that really hurts.   :rolleyes:  At over 14,000 posts, I can see what it is.   again   :rolleyes:


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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2009, 01:39:15 PM »
Just about every action the Japanese took during WWII was wrong, and using the whole population to fight war might be justified if your nation is attacked, but in the historical context of WWII, where Japan had been the aggressor, yes, I think it would have been wrong.   If a nation has to use it's women and children to fight, it is time to surrender to save lives.   Sadly the war was the desire and result of the Japanese military complex, not the citizen population.

You need a little cultural perspective, dago.  "Saving Lives" has not been good in-itself for many great civilizations throughout history.  For example, the Celts might be the first "barbarians" to be depicted nobly in Greek art, all because the Greeks were highly impressed with the Celtic custom of suicide (after murdering their own wives and children) instead of capture and enslavement.  In other words, for many civilizations, life as a conquered nation is not worth living.

Rather than seeing women and children fight in Japan, it's more likely that there would have been mass suicide.
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2009, 02:20:25 PM »
You need a little cultural perspective, dago.  "Saving Lives" has not been good in-itself for many great civilizations throughout history.  For example, the Celts might be the first "barbarians" to be depicted nobly in Greek art, all because the Greeks were highly impressed with the Celtic custom of suicide (after murdering their own wives and children) instead of capture and enslavement.  In other words, for many civilizations, life as a conquered nation is not worth living.

Rather than seeing women and children fight in Japan, it's more likely that there would have been mass suicide.

Talk about perspective, you are so far off topic with a discussion about Greek perception of Celts, and Greek art that I find that absolutely irrelevant to the discussion about the Japanese behaviors, and what would constitute a wrong or acceptable practice for the Japanese in defense of homeland.  We are talking such entirely different people and cultures, in two wildly separated times as to make your comparison irrelevant.

To simply make an argument that "people are people and they all act the same" is to ignore a lot of history.

Then, you decide your knowledge of the Japanese mindset of the 1940s in a time of war, with what is undoubtedly your very limited knowledge of the propaganda they are exposed to, is enough to make a judgment call on what the Japanese people would do in case of invasion and fighting on their home soil.  Amazing.

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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2009, 08:46:28 PM »
It's just an example of cultural difference, dago.  If you refrain from interpreting in the most stupid way possible you might just be struck with a thought.
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2009, 01:28:27 AM »
It's just an example of cultural difference, dago.  If you refrain from interpreting in the most stupid way possible you might just be struck with a thought.

Yep.    :rofl
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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2009, 01:37:45 AM »
Call me stupid.  I agree with the people that think the Japanese were off their origami rockers.  :aok

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Re: HAPPY VJ DAY!!!
« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2009, 01:44:03 AM »
Call me stupid.  I agree with the people that think the Japanese were off their origami rockers:aok

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