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« on: December 09, 2001, 09:46:00 PM »
Their were 3 series 5 aricraft the MC, 205, Fiat G 55, and the RE 2005.They were so called because of the DB 605 which powered theam. When we debate which "NEW" Italian fighter that we would like to see added to AH the debate invarably boils down to the last 2 of this series, the G 55 or the RE 2005. Both these machines did not see large production runs, the RE 2005 was in service before september 8th some 26 being produced for the RA, the Luftwaffe took some aircraft into it's service(some sorces say 10), and some were used by the ANR (ANR aircraft were traing machines). The G 55 saw a larger production run, only a handfull saw combat before sept. 8th, the remander seing service with the ANR after sept.8th and with the Luftwaffe (on and off as the political situation dictated),it should be noted that the G 55 was produced in limited numbers after Sept.8, and that the luftwaffe was so taken by it that they considered producing it in Germany, the only thing that stoped theam was that the airframe required more man hours to produce than the Me 109.

  Both aircraft had simmilar performance charactics, althought the RE 2005 was a little faster ( the fastest of the 3), all had good handeling traits. The RE 2005 and the G 55 had 3 20mm MG 151/20's and 2 12.7mm SAFT MG's. The RE 2005 could also cary two 160Kg wing beams and one 1000kg central conection for external stores.

 RE 2005:

 

G 55:

 


  Now which one? The RE 2005 would bring the fastest of the 3 and the only truly JABO capable series 5 aircraft, also this plane could be used to creat earler RE 2000 series variants.The main draw back or point of conjecture is the production run of 30 some odd aircraft.
   The G 55 was produced in larger numbers (aprox 200 some sources indicate) and used to a greater extent as a result.

 I think the RE 2005 would be more usefull in the MA simply do to the fact that it caries Bombs and was faster ( if marginaly so).

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2001, 09:59:00 PM »
Don't the Italian birds have rear view mirrors?....................so they could see the enemy while running away.

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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2001, 11:08:00 PM »
G55!

Check my G55 post... you gotta love such beautiful birds!

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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2001, 11:47:00 PM »
G55  The Re2005 is simply too ugly!

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2001, 01:12:00 AM »
Brady,
what stopped them was the USAF bombing North Italy factories. Luftwaffe was ready to mount the DB603 on the G.55, the only one ready to mount it without fuselage modifications. No 109G could do it.
With the 1,750hp engine the G.55 could get about 430mph at 23K, with an awesome fire power and ammo load (about 600 20mm rounds). Great perk plane indeed.

Oki,
be so kind to explain better. I'm sure it must be an error. You cant be so idiot. No, I must be wrong. Prove me you are not so idiot. Are you?
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2001, 02:39:00 AM »
Beautifull planes.

I'd still rather see something that saw action in North Africa or over Malta, or even the Eastern front, where Italy was also represented.

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2001, 03:18:00 AM »
Yep Seeker, your right. A little bird told me that something will happen over AH's Malta  ;). So, we should see planes like the SM79, the C.200 and the Re2001. Those were (mainly) the planes that attacked Malta during 1941 and 1942. But I dont think they are in the AH factory  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2001, 10:14:00 PM »
gatt , you are of course right, I was refering to the Germans looking into seting up factory production in Germany it self, and the descition not to do so was primarly because of the comparatively complex nature of the airframe construction compared to the Me 109.

  My sources for this post include :

  Reggiane RE 2005 Sagittario by Maurizio Di Terlizzi

  Ali D'Italia 10 Fiat G 55

  Amongst others.

  Admitadely I am torn between the g 55 and The RE 2005. but I still must go with the RE 2005.

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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2001, 12:07:00 AM »
Brady said:
Admitadely I am torn between the g 55 and The RE 2005. but I still must go with the RE 2005.
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Yeh, I'll go for the Re2005 too. What the P-47 could have been if it went on "Slim Fast"   :p

What ever happend to the "X" layout  inline engine that the Italians were working on?
It was intended to go in a lightweight fighter series.

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2001, 10:57:00 AM »
:) Only way to get the Jug slimmed down would be to rip out what made it such a success at high alts - the turbo.

 I hope HTC adds the 2005 or 55. Either would be a *very* nice addition to the planeset.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2001, 05:14:00 PM »
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Originally posted by gatt:
Brady,
what stopped them was the USAF bombing North Italy factories. Luftwaffe was ready to mount the DB603 on the G.55, the only one ready to mount it without fuselage modifications. No 109G could do it.
With the 1,750hp engine the G.55 could get about 430mph at 23K, with an awesome fire power and ammo load (about 600 20mm rounds). Great perk plane indeed.

Oki,
be so kind to explain better. I'm sure it must be an error. You cant be so idiot. No, I must be wrong. Prove me you are not so idiot. Are you?


Why perk it?  This plane shows nothing that nees to be perked.  Because it has 3 20mm?  Hmm N1k has 4 20mm, La-7 has 3 20mm, P-47 has 8 50 cal lol sorry had to add that in there  ;).  This plane if it ever were added should not be perked and never think of being perked at that.  G-56 gets my vote  ;), but in fairness the 2005 wins my vote, cuz I never liked them fiats (cars) that is.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2001, 07:23:00 PM »
O'Westy  said:
Only way to get the Jug slimmed down would be to rip out what made it such a success at high alts - the turbo.
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As I recall, due to a lack of high temp alloys to build a turbo-supercharger with,  Reggiane was working on a second small engine (300hp?)  behind the pilot to run a pre-engine supercharger for high alt use.
I bet it still would be slimmer than the Jug   :)

> I hope HTC adds the 2005 or 55. Either would be a *very* nice addition to the planeset.

> Westy

Yep, the Italian birds were damm good for mid '43.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2001, 07:29:00 PM »
I've been cheering for the Centauro for a long time, would love to see it get added.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2001, 08:14:00 PM »
My favorite World War II Italian Fighter was still the Piaggio 119   :D . Yeah, I think only one was constructed, but it was really cool. As for adding italian aircraft to AH, I would much rather see the Re.2000/2001/2002 series added, not that I don't like the G.55 or Re.2005, I would just rather see more aircraft that were actually used in combat in some numbers. I know some will argue uber this and that, but I don't have any trouble holding my own in a 190A5, F4U-1, etc. I would just rather see more '41 to '43 series aircraft added now is all.

Edit: But if I HAVE to choose a five, it's definitely the Centauro.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2001, 04:53:00 AM »
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Why perk it?  This plane (the G.56) shows nothing that nees to be perked.  Because it has 3 20mm?  Hmm N1k has 4 20mm, La-7 has 3 20mm, P-47 has 8 50 cal ... (snip)

Becouse the P-51D lobby would be so scared  ;)  :)
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