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Offline Unit791

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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2009, 07:15:25 AM »
Fool, the P-61 did fly combat missions during the day, add the fact it gets semi dark in AH or else the moon and stars would not come out. FOOL.


Fool, what good would a night-fighter bring into play?
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2009, 12:35:58 PM »

Fool, what good would a night-fighter bring into play?

In AH?  Since the radar systems they used wouldn't be modeled and we don't have true night in AH, all they would bring is, in some cases, a variant of an existing plane but with cannons (F6F-5N is an example, it would have 20mm cannons). 

However, in real life they brought a lot to the table.  They were able to use their radar to search for surface targets.  Night fighters were also typically more heavily gunned than regular fighters and carried cannons (at least for the United States).  Often, night fighters would lead day light raids, aquire the target on their radar and lead the attack for the regular fighters. 



The above picture is a flight of Hellcats preparing to take off the Ticonderoga to hit targets in Manila Bay (Jan. 9, 1945).  As you can see, the two lead planes are F6F-5Ns, the night fighter variant of the Hellcat.  They would typically lead such flights as they could use their radar to aquire targets.


Here is a flight of P-61C Blackwidows on a day time mission in the PTO.  By this time, the Blackwidow didn't have any targets to intercept at night and were used in daylight interdiction missions.




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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2009, 12:41:33 PM »
They were able to use their radar to search for surface targets.  Night fighters were also typically more heavily gunned than regular fighters and carried cannons (at least for the United States).  Often, night fighters would lead day light raids, aquire the target on their radar and lead the attack for the regular fighters. 

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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2009, 12:46:39 PM »
Didn't the p61 carry 4 50s and 4 20mm?
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2009, 12:58:20 PM »
historical tactics and cool pics etc...

interesting, like having a Hawkeye along for the sortie.
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2009, 01:17:28 PM »
I am calling a move to pull your SAPP license.

Any self respecting P-38 pilot would include the ultra rare, ultra uber P-38K-1-LO (perked of course) in that list.

Shame on you!!!

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
Would love to see the A6M get updated.

What will happen, who knows. Something else with 4x 20mm?
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2009, 05:25:41 PM »

Fool, what good would a night-fighter bring into play?
Really, is the fact that it was a night-fighter your only arguement?  Please tell you me you have something more?  I'm guessing you don't.  So what good would a P-61 be in AH.  For the "land grabbing guys" the armament and payload would be great for town killing, hanger busting, and deacking.  For the furballers the described handling and armament may also allow it to be a nice choice. 

Here's just a quick little comparison between other twin engines in AH (and the A-26B)


 
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2009, 09:22:16 PM »
Really, is the fact that it was a night-fighter your only arguement?  Please tell you me you have something more?  I'm guessing you don't.  So what good would a P-61 be in AH.  For the "land grabbing guys" the armament and payload would be great for town killing, hanger busting, and deacking.  For the furballers the described handling and armament may also allow it to be a nice choice. 

Here's just a quick little comparison between other twin engines in AH (and the A-26B)

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OK, but you do realise this aircraft was purpose-built for night-fighting, adding a night-fighter to AH2 would be quite radical indeed.  When, you add it, you say "OK, yeah well it did do daytime operations", however true this may be, it was PURPOSE BUILT for night fighting, and if you can't use it as a night fighter, there is no point in adding it.
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2009, 09:26:39 PM »
Since the addition of the 38E, F and H is already locked in, I would suggest the Ki-43, Beaufighter and Me 410 so the Beaufighter guys have something to shoot at :)
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2009, 10:42:34 PM »
OK, but you do realise this aircraft was purpose-built for night-fighting, adding a night-fighter to AH2 would be quite radical indeed.  When, you add it, you say "OK, yeah well it did do daytime operations", however true this may be, it was PURPOSE BUILT for night fighting, and if you can't use it as a night fighter, there is no point in adding it.
Again with the "night fighter". Yes I know the original design of the P-61 series was for a night fighting role, And actually it does get dark in AH, the moon and stars come out. Is it pitch black. No, and thats the result of to many complaints from players. I guess you only want planes and tanks you want, vs hearing what others may like to have in AH.

So ALL of the AH planes do the exact role the were designed for in the second world war?

This is your original post:
What is most likely gunna be the newest edition to AH?  I Wish it was the JS-2.
OK, you asked a question, followed by a wish.  Yet you offer no supporting facts or statements to go with your wish. 
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2009, 06:57:11 AM »
if you can't use it as a night fighter, there is no point in adding it.

why cant you use it as a night fighter? Ive flown Mossies as nightfighters in AH. Its not all about the LW MA you know...
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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2009, 08:13:35 AM »
Again with the "night fighter". Yes I know the original design of the P-61 series was for a night fighting role, And actually it does get dark in AH, the moon and stars come out. Is it pitch black. No, and thats the result of to many complaints from players. I guess you only want planes and tanks you want, vs hearing what others may like to have in AH.

So ALL of the AH planes do the exact role the were designed for in the second world war?

This is your original post: OK, you asked a question, followed by a wish.  Yet you offer no supporting facts or statements to go with your wish. 




I love to hear what they say, so long as it reasonable, which is why I disagree with you.  Not dark enough to use a night fighter.  Supporting reasons to have a JS-2:

1. Few tanks in AH2 can challenge a Tiger head on, they must try to literally swing around it and hit from behind. The JS-2 would eclearly not have to.

2. It would be the ultimate ambush weapon :)

3.  Base camping would be...quicker.
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2009, 08:18:04 AM »
why cant you use it as a night fighter? Ive flown Mossies as nightfighters in AH. Its not all about the LW MA you know...


Becaue for it to BE a night fighter, its gotta be, uh DARK, like realistic dark.  I know I know, theres stars, theres the moon, but when I look up at the night sky, it just does not look that way in AH2.
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Re: I wanna know....
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2009, 08:40:30 AM »
Unit791 the real difference would be radar, as night fighters had, and as all fighters have in the game.  The real critical thing will be whether the night fighting equipment kills a given model's chances to be any fun in the game, or wether a given night fighter model flew often enough without significant handicaps like radar antennas or radar domes e.g. during day light ops, and if not, whether it could be fun/competitive (i.e. worthwhile) with them.
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