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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2009, 01:59:11 AM »
I asked Pyro what would and would not be allowed skin-wise for the Brewster a couple of months ago. I can't find his reply at the moment but going from memory he didn't want any USN skins, but otherwise if it saw squadron service in WW2 then it should be OK.

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2009, 06:58:36 AM »
Although HTC seems to continually refer to it as the Finnish Brewster. Going by the normal precedents todate it would be difficult to show this model in any other skin than a Finnish one.

If Dutch variants like the 339D were used in any numbers would it not be better to collect the data and lobby for that variant to be added?
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2009, 11:25:10 AM »
That's kind of what they should have done in the first place. Instead they did the equivelant of asking the russkies to describe the La7, asking the brits to describe the spitfire. They asked the Finns (and only the finns) how to model the brewster.

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2009, 03:36:22 PM »
Some more Dutch 25's. One of these is the same from my other post but are clearer versions. The profile & the last photo are the same aircraft.

           
« Last Edit: August 19, 2009, 03:42:06 PM by lyric1 »

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2009, 05:40:45 PM »
That's kind of what they should have done in the first place. Instead they did the equivelant of asking the russkies to describe the La7, asking the brits to describe the spitfire. They asked the Finns (and only the finns) how to model the brewster.

So you assume they did no research of their own and only consulted Wmaker?  :huh
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2009, 08:10:04 AM »
Some more Dutch 25's. One of these is the same from my other post but are clearer versions. The profile & the last photo are the same aircraft.

           

Just noticed the second plane from the left in the last photo has the same Donald duck nose art on the right side of the plane just like the larger photo with it on the left. Most of these Dutch aircraft are kind of plain Janes or the pictures are not close enough to get a good read on some of the nose art. The one with Donald on it may be the best choice if any one is cosidering any of my pictures.

I can't find a complete picture of this plane but I think if you look at all the insignia markings on all the 18TH squadron aircraft that I have posted from before in this thread, they seem to be the same from when they first painted on the Dutch markings. With this link I think you could just about have enought to do N5-128.


http://www.airwarweb.net/NEI/nei18_b25.php

http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/alliesinadversity/australia/nei.asp
« Last Edit: August 20, 2009, 08:33:17 AM by lyric1 »

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2009, 10:19:12 AM »
So you assume they did no research of their own and only consulted Wmaker?  :huh

Yes yes! You see Mensa, I wouldn't want MY PRECIOUS to fly anyway else than the best possible plausible wayyyyy! My precious...so, so I devised this evil, evil plan and hypnotised pyro and the rest of the guys and gal at HTC and forced them into my Finnish-HTC -conspiracy! :noid



And now...I HAVE MY PRECIOUS!! Muhahaha...hahahahahaha...hah aha...ha!!
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2009, 10:39:50 AM »
Seriously though, Krusty is assuming things that he once again doesn't have the slightest clue about. Pyro posted a thread where everyone could post their material regarding Brewster, not just Finns. I made it crystal clear from the start to myself that I would only provide data and not "tell" Pyro what the speed or climb rate for example should be and let him draw his own conclusions from the data provided. With that last post of his, Krusty is simply insulting the intelligence of Pyro. He's basically saying that Pyro blindly accepted what ever "biased view" was provided by the Finns regarding the performance of the Brewster and modelled the plane accordingly. The fact that he honestly thinks that that was the case is beyond me. No, Pyro only relies on hard primary source material.

If I sometime have the energy I'll post a thread where list and explain all the data me and Camo sent to HTC. What is clear that the differences between the data provided and the performance of the AH Brewster are very small and that Pyro has done an awesome job with the flight model.
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2009, 04:50:40 PM »
This is going to get interesting.


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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2009, 11:21:43 AM »
Usually does when one side presents hard data and the other goes with just opinion.
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2009, 12:03:23 PM »
Back in January, as Wmaker states, Pyro posted publicly asking for information on the Brewster. He did not just ask the Finns and as you can see non Finns including Krusty participated in the thread.

Here is the thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255747.0.html

Also Wmaker, is born out on his statement that Pyro was looking just for data. This statement at the end of the thread posted by Pyro pretty much says just that.

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2009, 12:22:28 PM »
Lets see if Krusty makes another appearance into this thread. On couple other threads about the Brewster where his overmodelling and what-not comments have been refuted, he just leaves the thread without a reply. I'm beginning to think that he's just trolling.
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2009, 04:31:07 PM »
Yes yes! You see Mensa, I wouldn't want MY PRECIOUS to fly anyway else than the best possible plausible wayyyyy! My precious...so, so I devised this evil, evil plan and hypnotised pyro and the rest of the guys and gal at HTC and forced them into my Finnish-HTC -conspiracy! :noid

(Image removed from quote.)

And now...I HAVE MY PRECIOUS!! Muhahaha...hahahahahaha...hah aha...ha!!
You know every time I see a Brewster behind me now I have visions of that ugly little git flying it. Curse you Wmaker :lol

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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2009, 05:45:39 PM »
 :rofl
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Re: Dutch Skins
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2010, 02:05:22 AM »
Just noticed the second plane from the left in the last photo has the same Donald duck nose art on the right side of the plane just like the larger photo with it on the left. Most of these Dutch aircraft are kind of plain Jane's or the pictures are not close enough to get a good read on some of the nose art. The one with Donald on it may be the best choice if any one is considering any of my pictures.

I can't find a complete picture of this plane but I think if you look at all the insignia markings on all the 18TH squadron aircraft that I have posted from before in this thread, they seem to be the same from when they first painted on the Dutch markings. With this link I think you could just about have enough to do N5-128.

(Image removed from quote.)

http://www.airwarweb.net/NEI/nei18_b25.php

http://www.awm.gov.au/exhibitions/alliesinadversity/australia/nei.asp
I found some more stuff on Dutch B25's & I think enough info to skin the N5-128 aircraft with Donald Duck on the nose if any one is interested?





Second plane is N5-128 in the next two pics.












Not a lot to go off of in this pic just interesting that it is bare metal C model.



A Dutch P-40 as well also not that good a photo.