Shall we see a P47m?

[fscott]

Top speed 470 mph. Was used extensively as an interceptor of V-1 bombs.

fscott

[Lephturn]

I think we would more likely see the N model.  It was more refined and had clipped wingtips for improved roll speed.  It had the speed too.    I'd bet on the N model as the Perk Jug.

Now what I'd REALLY like to see is the XP-47J prototype.  That thing reportedly exceeded 500 Mph in some of the tests.  Woohoo. <G>

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"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[StSanta]

You allies are never happy.

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[RAM]

You Jugwhiners!!!!

 

[Vermillion]

The 470mph is somewhat misleading. Its 470 at 30,000ft. At the altitude where it would most comparable to other aircraft top speeds is around 25,000ft where its max speed was 453mph (where its quite comparable to the 109G10). Althought the 470 at 30k, is somewhat comparable to the speed of the Ta152H-1 at the same altitude (rough comparison).

I agree with Lephturn though, I think the P-47N would be a better aircraft to model. It was produced in much greater numbers (130 vs 1,600), and saw combat in greater numbers than the M model.

Some would complain that P-47N performs worse than the P-47M (460mph max vs 470mph max), but again thats somewhat misleading, because the N model carried a much higher load of fuel, and US performance numbers are recorded at 100% fuel.

I believe that the M and N used the same engine, so that at the same gross weight (ie fuel load) overall performance should be similar. I would have to look at my AHT when I got home to be sure.

I do know that, no matter what, I would like to see either the P-47M or P-47N, in Aces High some day.

Here is a pretty pic of a P-47M

 

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Lephturn the 47N wing wasnt "clipped" in the standard meaning of the word. What was acually done was to add a 1 foot extension at the wingroots and square off the wingtips. You can clearly see this if you look at a frontal view of a 47N vs earlier 47s, as the N will have a noticably wider landing gear stance. The extention was made to increase fuel storage for long range missions.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[SFRT - Frenchy]

We will have the p47M with Gabbriesky's markings, bubble top, invasion stripes... and not the N.

Wait, I'm not pyro ...  
But me flying the p47 the most, does that allow me the courtesie to choose the model/camo?      

pyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyro?!?!

[Lephturn]

Trust me, we want the N.

They clipped the ends of the wings in the N to compensate for the added wingspan.  The Jug, being a vertical fighter, depends a LOT on roll.  The M won't roll well at all, where the N model should much better.

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A member of The Flying Pigs  http://www.flyingpigs.com


"My P-47 is a pretty good ship, she took a round coming 'cross the Channel last trip.
Just thinking 'bout my baby and lettin' her rip, always got me through so far."
 - Steve Earl

[SnakeEyes]

Are we certain about those roll rate speculations?

The N stored alot of gas in those wings to my recollection... the M had relatively empty wings by comparison, didn't it?

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[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

The roll rate shouldnt be much better in any drastic way beacuse you end up with a wing of the same size in the end anyway. A 1 foot extension at wingroot minus appx 1 foot of clipped and squared off wingtips. Plus you have to remember all the weight was pushed out further on the wing by the 1 foot extension. The guns and all ammo weight are also farther out on the wing as is the heavy landing gear. All in all roll rate wasnt too much different. The N should be included as the perk version of the 47 it has every right to be as many were produced and saw lots of combat.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Westy]

 Me want! Me want! ME want!!!!    

 Verm, I swear the guy in front of that P-47-M is my long lost twin!!

 -Westy
 

[Hooligan]

The -N weighs about 500 lbs more than the -M (this does not include fuel rate).  Most of that weight is in the wings so the N probably rolls worse.  Also, the bigger N wings mean more lift and probably better turning performance.  I guess we need both.

Hooligan

[eddiek]

I hope we see the M model.  Would be nice to have a Jug in here that will actually climb well.  Some have the M climbing at around 4K a minute, am not sure about the N model.
As far as modeling the "N" over the "M" based on production numbers, "130 vs 1600", if that is the basis for the decision, it would appear that the TA-152 would have to be totally left out, as far more 190D-9's were made......and saw action.  As far as being comparable to the G10 at speed, I have been unable to come up with anything that said the G10 had more than a 430 mph top speed at alt.......seems that Pyro or someone said something about the G10 and the K4 having the same engine, and we see numbers more like a K4 than the G10.  Not sure "when" or "where" I read that, but it was on the BBS.  Wish they would just rename it "K4" if it that is what it really is.
The 470 mph top speed for the Jug is misleading, I agree......that was at high alt, and lately, how many planes enter combat that high?  I have entered combat at 30K only a handful of times in the past weeks, and each time I had to go downstairs, at least to 20K or below to get in on the action.  Unless you find a buff that high, or both sides intentionally meet up there, the Jug will likely not benefit from the hi alt advantage it "should" hold.

[Westy]

"so the N probably rolls worse."

 That's why the "N models wing tips are clipped. If I recall correctly the squared off wing tips on the N restored, perhaps even improved over all previous models, the Jugs roll rate.

  -Westy

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Westy the N had the wings extended by a 1 foot section at the wingroot and its wing tips clipped by 1 foot. In the end the wing is the same size, no better and no worse for roll. Also all the heavy/dense wing componets(guns, ammo, and landing gear) were also pushed outward by 1 foot in the N, so there is more weight positioned by the wingtips which would slightly slow the roll rate.  The clipped wings compensated for loss of overall roll rate (if wings were not clipped), because of the new extended wings. In the end 47N had same roll rate as other 47s no beter and no worse.

thanks GRUNHERZ