Blackouts....and 109's

[SKurj]

Seating position in the 109, being more reclined than other AC of the time, permitted its pilot to withstand more G forces than pilots of other fighter AC of the time.
Perhaps this should be modelled?!

SKurj

[Nath-BDP]

Hmm I think it already is... caveman was whining about me shooting him when he thought i was blacked out just because he was...

[Jigster]

190 had the 30 degree recline, not the 109 (AFAIK anyway, they may of added it to the later 109's)

[Wingnut_0]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:
190 had the 30 degree recline, not the 109 (AFAIK anyway, they may of added it to the later 109's)

Jigster where did u get that info?  The 109's have always had a reclined seat.  The 190's though I do not know it's degree's from all pic's, etc sits more upright.



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GeschwaderKommadore
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The quality of the box matters little.  Success depends upon the man who sits in it  -  Baron Manfred von Richthofen

[rust]

I read that the resistance to blackouts was due to the fact that the seat was practically on the floor and your legs had little bend in them when your feet were on the pedals.  

Rust
 
The Free French Air Force

[This message has been edited by rust (edited 11-06-2000).]

[Zigrat]

109 had a reclined seat. Current blackout for pilots in AH is around 5G, so for a 109 should be 5/cos(30)=5.75 G. This would be a cool feature!!!

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

The slight seatback recline combined with the fact that pilots legs basically sat flat on the cockpit floor of 109 so blood didnt pool in legs  as easily as it would in more upright leg positions did make it better for the pilot in withstanding G. How much I cant say but if it works in F16s it should work in 109 too.

thanks GRUNHERZ

[AKDejaVu]

I hope this gets/is modeled correctly.  Maybe someone from HTC could shed some light on the subject?

AKDejaVu

[Eagler]

just hold your breath and grunt as in a BM

Eagler

 

[Andy Bush]

Hold on here, folks!

Neither of these fighters had reclined seats. I think you are mistaking where the rear of the canopy meets the fuselage as the seat area. These pictures show how it actually was.

 

 

 

Hope this helps!

Andy

[Westy]

Yup.  They both look pretty damn upright to me. I was wondering wtf people were talking about.

Although if you look at this detailed 1/48scale model of a 109G cockpit, the pilots legs would be a little less bent than most other aircraft. Not sure how that would help blood in the torso not rise/drain into/from the brain.

     

 And from pics and another model (although unfinished) of a FW-190-D9 cockpit, by that same comnpany that did the 109 cockpit, I cannot see anythign special about the 190 that would seperate it from any other fighter type of WWII.

  -Westy


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[M.C.202]

> Although if you look at this detailed 1/48scale model of a 109G cockpit, the pilots
> legs would be a little less bent than most other aircraft. Not sure how that would help
> blood in the torso not rise/drain into/from the brain.

The M.C.202/205 had much the same leg position, along with smooth aluminum "trays" for the lower leg to rest and slide on.



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Dino in Reno

[Staga]

Think like this:
It's easy to drink water with pipe if you keep glass on your hand. Now put the glass on the ground and try to suck with longer pipe.
It's not the distance (well it too...) but more the level where you keep the glass.

Just a guess  

[Soulyss]

does that mean allied pilots get G-suits? hehe ok ok I'm just kidding..... oh lord please don't kill me.....

[Jigster]

Hmm nevermind, the 30 degree incline seat was first introduced as part of the Do 335 ejector seat.

- Jig