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Offline bmwgs

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2009, 08:27:59 AM »
Ohh look, here is a lemming now. ;)

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2009, 08:29:19 AM »
1. NO HT doesn't want you to jump arenas. ENY is the carrot/stick to jump countries and even out number in said arena.


Might not want that, but thats what happens!
Caps do what they are supposed to do (try and balance overall numbers between arenas), ENY has been a failure in as far as encouraging people to change countries within an arena.
What it does do is get people to hop arenas thus skewing the numbers in both of them.
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2009, 08:33:27 AM »
I hear that song again Bronk;  "A Trolling I will go, A Trolling I will go, Hi Ho A Cheer e O, a Trolling I will go".   :D

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2009, 08:40:22 AM »

Might not want that, but thats what happens!
Caps do what they are supposed to do (try and balance overall numbers between arenas), ENY has been a failure in as far as encouraging people to change countries within an arena.
What it does do is get people to hop arenas thus skewing the numbers in both of them.

I kind of agree with you. Trying to get people to not to take the path of least resistance is a hard task.

IMHO ht need to figure a bigger carrot and not a bigger stick to get people to change sides.
Keep eny in place but figure a bigger bonus for people who make an effort to jump sides.

Like free perk rides for your first 2 sorties or some such.


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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2009, 08:48:57 AM »
All i know is that lately every time i log on the bishwits and the knittens dint have enough support and we likewise get an eny so high ya cant even lift a b-17 and they firesale 262's to the otherside! looks like it is working for YOU!, i wouldn't complain!  :cry

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2009, 08:52:04 AM »
All i know is that lately every time i log on the bishwits and the knittens dint have enough support and we likewise get an eny so high ya cant even lift a b-17 and they firesale 262's to the otherside! looks like it is working for YOU!, i wouldn't complain!  :cry
Expand your horizons try another side and even the numbers. You don't have to go against your preferred country you know?
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2009, 08:52:36 AM »
I kind of agree with you. Trying to get people to not to take the path of least resistance is a hard task.

IMHO ht need to figure a bigger carrot and not a bigger stick to get people to change sides.
Keep eny in place but figure a bigger bonus for people who make an effort to jump sides.

Like free perk rides for your first 2 sorties or some such.

I don't look at ENY as a carrot to switch sides, I look at it as the price I have to pay to have the extra hands on deck to win the war. Sure it makes it a bit harder with inferior equipment, but that's what a game is suppose to be about.... a challenge to win ! If it's easy, why play?

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2009, 08:53:48 AM »
I kind of agree with you. Trying to get people to not to take the path of least resistance is a hard task.

IMHO ht need to figure a bigger carrot and not a bigger stick to get people to change sides.
Keep eny in place but figure a bigger bonus for people who make an effort to jump sides.

Like free perk rides for your first 2 sorties or some such.

Don't think there is a fix for it.
People are people, human nature is human nature.
Majority seem to prefer to fly with their squad.

You also have to assume that the overall country numbers in the player base are roughly equal, and are spread out the geographical regions fairly equal, which I don't think they are.

For example prior to the arena split you could watch through the day and tell which country had the numbers in certain geographic regions. Used to be Knits had numbers in the early mornings (Europe), then during the day Bish would catch up and overtake them (US) then late evening it was usually the Rooks.

Try balancing that between 3 countries in two different arenas and I think you're on a hiding to nothing.

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2009, 08:57:13 AM »
I don't look at ENY as a carrot to switch sides, I look at it as the price I have to pay to have the extra hands on deck to win the war. Sure it makes it a bit harder with inferior equipment, but that's what a game is suppose to be about.... a challenge to win ! If it's easy, why play?
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2009, 09:00:46 AM »

Majority seem to prefer to fly with their squad.



I agree. However I fail to understand why as a group the squad could not change sides. Like I said some bigger bonus instead of a bigger stick . Possibly that would be more effective.
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2009, 09:36:39 AM »
I agree. However I fail to understand why as a group the squad could not change sides. Like I said some bigger bonus instead of a bigger stick . Possibly that would be more effective.

Part of it -

Each country has its own character and feel.

Used to be -
Rooks - Most furballers
Bish - Fairly organised
Knits - A mess

So squads tend to go to the country they feel comfortable in, and I think it has become entrenched.

Maybe first thing to try -
Disband the 3 countries and re-assign (on first login) squads / loners to new 'countries'.
See if that helps to mix things up a little.
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2009, 09:40:35 AM »
aybe first thing to try -
Disband the 3 countries and re-assign (on first login) squads / loners to new 'countries'.
See if that helps to mix things up a little.

You would have to take down the BBS first ;)
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2009, 09:51:52 AM »
Part of it -

Each country has its own character and feel.

Used to be -
Rooks - Most furballers
Bish - Fairly organised
Knits - A mess


I tend to disagree with that comment kev.  All countries are the same.  If there is a tendency for a country  to have a "character" I would say it is due to a large squad in that country or perhaps a single person that folk tend to follow. 

I'm sure looking at the folk in a country would reveal this to be true, and it would be the reason for countries changing their characters.
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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2009, 11:30:37 AM »
I've said it before; If you need to balance between different countries, get rid of the country names.  When the game logs the first player from a squad into the game for the day, he goes to the side with the lowest numbers.  With a few tweeks, this could work for side balancing within an arena but when you throw a 2nd arena into the mix...

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Re: Yes, ENY again...
« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2009, 12:48:08 PM »
You don't have to switch sides or country to escape the effects of ENY.


Simply change your tastes in aircraft. Choose 20 and up ENY aircraft then you won't even know when ENY gets crazy unless someone complains on country or it gets so bad that no one can fly and then things are so unbalanced that it really wouldn't be much fun to fly anyway.
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