Yes, ENY again...

[SlapShot]

Of course I've only been at this for 4 months now, so what happened in the above scenario before ENY? Did the tide of battle NOT correct itself?

Behavioral instincts took hold ... the 2 numerically superior teams pummeled the lower numbered country from both sides ... "racing" to see who could get the "reset" first ... very rarely did they fight each other because there was not carrot (reset) in it for them.

This behavior can still be seen today ... the ENY limiter does slow down the "race" and can sometimes stall the "race" until numbers maybe even out in the course of a night.

[Vinkman]

Behavioral instincts took hold ... the 2 numerically superior teams pummeled the lower numbered country from both sides ... "racing" to see who could get the "reset" first ... very rarely did they fight each other because there was not carrot (reset) in it for them.

This behavior can still be seen today ... the ENY limiter does slow down the "race" and can sometimes stall the "race" until numbers maybe even out in the course of a night.

Thanks Slapshot...that answer makes a lot of sense.

I can see where the race to cap bases can bomb a country out even being able to produce airborn pilots, but maybe instead of limitting which planes can be taken, maybe ENY could harden the fields and towns of the losing teams to slow the field capping, but not interfere with the plane on plane action.

[SlapShot]

Thanks Slapshot...that answer makes a lot of sense.

No problem ... that's what ENY makes sense.

I can vouch for the fact that getting pummeled from both fronts and trying to fend off an endless supply of ENY 5 planes was as bad as it gets as far as gameplay is concerned IMHO.

Those that are suffering at the hands of ENY never really look at the other side of the coin. This game is about challenge (internal and external), comraderie, and most of all ... FUN ... getting consistently ganged by superior numbers in superior planes is NEVER FUN.

[SlapShot]

ugh ... double post

[Vinkman]

Modified my last post with this but decided to repost it.

I can see where the race to cap bases can bomb a country out even being able to produce airborn pilots, but maybe instead of limitting which planes can be taken, maybe ENY could harden the fields and towns of the losing teams to slow the field capping, but not interfere with the plane on plane action.

I just understand the frustration of not being able to take the plane you like. Wondering if there is a better way. Funny I fly crap planes mostly anyway as I spend 90% fo my flight time in a P-39 but I simpathize with players not wanting to choose between their country and their favorite plane.

[Crash Orange]

Behavioral instincts took hold ... the 2 numerically superior teams pummeled the lower numbered country from both sides ... "racing" to see who could get the "reset" first ... very rarely did they fight each other because there was not carrot (reset) in it for them.

This behavior can still be seen today ... the ENY limiter does slow down the "race" and can sometimes stall the "race" until numbers maybe even out in the course of a night.

What race? Neither country can win the reset just by taking bases from the third.

[SlapShot]

Modified my last post with this but decided to repost it.

I can see where the race to cap bases can bomb a country out even being able to produce airborn pilots, but maybe instead of limitting which planes can be taken, maybe ENY could harden the fields and towns of the losing teams to slow the field capping, but not interfere with the plane on plane action.

I just understand the frustration of not being able to take the plane you like. Wondering if there is a better way. Funny I fly crap planes mostly anyway as I spend 90% fo my flight time in a P-39 but I simpathize with players not wanting to choose between their country and their favorite plane.

Artificially hardening fields is not a direction that I would like to see.

The mainstay of this game is people vs people ... ENY allows this human conflict to continue and levels the playing field while making the defending of a field or a country still lie with the responsibility of it's participants.

5 Spit16s ... vs ... 5 Spit16s / 5 P-51s ... or ... 5 Spit16s ... vs ... 5 P-40s / 5 P-38Gs ...

Which scenario would be more fun for you if you are on the side with 5 ?

Which scenario would you most likely feel that you had a chance with if you were on the side with 5 ?

[Lusche]

I can see where the race to cap bases can bomb a country out even being able to produce airborn pilots, but maybe instead of limitting which planes can be taken, maybe ENY could harden the fields and towns of the losing teams to slow the field capping, but not interfere with the plane on plane action.

This would affect only a part of the players: The "basegrabbers". Capturing is only one way to produce what this game is all about: Ccombat.

ENY is meant to interefere with plane to plane actions. When it's 1 vs 4, the single player doesn't care much about field harndess if it's 4 Spit 16's he has to fight.

[SlapShot]

What race? Neither country can win the reset just by taking bases from the third.

Now I know you weren't around before ENY.

There still can be a "race" situation since the introduction of the 33% rule.

Example :

If the Knights have a superior numerical advantage and own 38% of the Rooks fields and only own 28% of the Bish fields ... they will "race" to try and pummel the Bish to get the 33% before the Rooks can try and get back some of their fields to get under the 33%.

[Lusche]

Now I know you weren't around before ENY.

There still can be a "race" situation since the introduction of the 33% rule.

Example :

If the Knights have a superior numerical advantage and own 38% of the Rooks fields and only own 28% of the Bish fields ... they will "race" to try and pummel the Bish to get the 33% before the Rooks can try and get back some of their fields to get under the 33%.

ENY had never anything to do with the reset race and had no real influnce on it. It's just a numerical balancer, and was no incentive to attack the other country competing for reset.

Only the "new" war winning rules did change that.

[Vinkman]

ENY is meant to interefere with plane to plane actions. When it's 1 vs 4, the single player doesn't care much about field harndess if it's 4 Spit 16's he has to fight.

OK, But this is based on the premise that all fights in all parts of the arena have a distribution equal to the arena totals. I think the biggest griping is when local ballance is very different from the arena balance and the losing team gets Double-Screwed. Not sure how to fix that, but is it possible that ENY creates as many of these situations as it fixes?

[SlapShot]

ENY had never anything to do with the reset race and had no real influnce on it. It's just a numerical balancer, and was no incentive to attack the other country competing for reset.

Only the "new" war winning rules did change that.

Well .. in my experiences and from what I could see ... the introduction of ENY did slow the "race" to some degree ... I did not say that that was it's intent, it was more a byproduct ... the "steamroller" (as it was knownm) had some steam taken out of it when it was forced to fly inferior planes.

Yes, the new 33% rule did eliminate the 2 country race to the reset.

[Soulyss]

What race? Neither country can win the reset just by taking bases from the third.

This has also changed, under the old system the arena was reset when one country was eliminated. The "winner" was whomever had the most fields of the two remaining countries.

[SlapShot]

OK, But this is based on the premise that all fights in all parts of the arena have a distribution equal to the arena totals.

Currently, that is the only way to implement it. Some have suggested "local area" ENY, which would work better, but would be very complex to implement and what would stop someone who is ENY limited at one field to the east of an enemy field, but his field to the west of the enemy field is not ENY limited ... he and many other could still take the 5 ENY rides and pummel the same field.

[Oldman731]

I just understand the frustration of not being able to take the plane you like.

I have never been able to grasp this.  There are so many planes in the game, I've always thought it odd that so many people want to limit themselves to one (or a small handful) of aircraft types. 

- oldman