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[bj229r]

Why would anyone fly a jug with 6 guns?...that's basically an F6 that doesn't turn as well... at any rate, while wep holds, I find the N can do some nose-up stuff that other jugs fall from the sky trying to duplicate


(Thanks for the info Stoney, I never knew that)

[Krusty]

Same reason you would fly a 109 without the gondolas.

It's more than capable of getting kills with 6 guns. As are all US planes in this game.

Look, I'm not saying the 8 guns package isn't swell. I use it myself quite often when I fly jugs.

I'm just saying "try it once" during your AH lifespan. It may surprise you.

[BnZs]

Same reason you would fly a 109 without the gondolas.

It's more than capable of getting kills with 6 guns. As are all US planes in this game.

Look, I'm not saying the 8 guns package isn't swell. I use it myself quite often when I fly jugs.

I'm just saying "try it once" during your AH lifespan. It may surprise you.

Without 8 guns, you might as well be in the better-performing F4U-1A or a P-51D.

[Krusty]

That's like saying "if you only have 6 guns there's no difference between P-51Ds, P-40E,s F4F-4s, F6Fs, F4us...."

It's facetious to believe that.

You're trying to spin things in a way other than this entire topic suggests.

[BnZs]

That's like saying "if you only have 6 guns there's no difference between P-51Ds, P-40E,s F4F-4s, F6Fs, F4us...."

It's facetious to believe that.

You're trying to spin things in a way other than this entire topic suggests.

An F4U-1A is near as fast as a P-47N on WEP power below 15K, faster on MIL and is vastly more maneuverable.

A P-51D isn't QUITE as maneuverable, but it is a little faster at low alt, greatly faster on MIL, and climbs much better.

So yeah, the killing power that two 2 extra .50s bring to the table is pretty much what the Jugs have going for them in comparison to the F4U-1A or P-51D at the altitudes where 90% of the action happens.

Not a hard concept to understand Krusty.

[bozon]

The P47 is "inferior" to both F4u and P51 at typical MA altitudes. 20+kft is a whole other matter. Taking 6 or 8 guns will not change that fact.

However, consider this: One of the few things the P47 excels at at all altitudes is to burn a lot of E for one good shot opportunity - which it better hit home with, because it will not build its energy back so fast and is left wallowing. 8 guns is 33% more firepower than 6. It might very well be the difference between a killing/disabling snapshot and merely damaged paint-job on your target. Vs. many opponents you will not get a second chance. In the MA you must make your kill FAST and get out and 33% extra firepower will do more for you than a small reduction in turn radius. When the latter comes into play you are very likely to die anyway.

Finally, the weight difference between the 6 and 8 guns is negligible compared with your fuel weight, unless you are very low on fuel and don't mind it - as in a duel. So, in the DA taking 6 guns may make some sense, but in the MA, the 6/8 difference will be blended with your fuel status.

Without 8 guns, you might as well be in the better-performing F4U-1A or a P-51D.

NO NO NO. A P47 pilot will rather fly a P47 armed only with his .45 and foul language, than be caught in a P51 or F4u.

[BnZs]

A P-47 at low alt in AHII without the 8 guns is like Rocky Marciano without his punching power.

[HPriller]

I have to agree with the 8 guns crowd here.  Dropping down to 6 provides a negligible performance increase while drastically reducing firepower.  It's the 8 gun firepower that provides the lethality in those oblique angle snapshots where you only get a splitsecond of fire on your target.   However adjusting fuel/ammo load will make a more noticable difference in this plane than any other fighter in Aces High.  If you really want to turn it into a hot rod, take the light ammo package and fire off half the ammo on the runway/takeoff.   The majority of the weight is the ammo, not the guns and 500 rounds per wing is still plenty effective for short hops.

[Lazerr]

I would smash the N model with d11, easily.

[Getback]

Taking 6 guns negates what the Jug is all about.....ton of lead. Plane has hard points whether ya hang stuff from them or not. (MAYBE not D-11...not sure there) I fly N, always up with 75% gas (42 minutes at max throttle, ya have 17 min left in wings and aux after the obligatory 'main fuel' hit) Carrying eggs REALLY kills climb rate...with no eggs, sucks far less. Zoom ability makes up for it somewhat (oh yah, I'm definitely NO expert )

Wasn't it BJ who said, In all that excitement I don't know if I fired 3399 rounds or 3400 rounds, The question you have to ask yourself punk, Is do you feel lucky?! 

Back on topic, yep a lighter plane turns better. However, deciding which tanks to drain first sure helps too.

[bj229r]

The P47 is "inferior" to both F4u and P51 at typical MA altitudes. 20+kft is a whole other matter. Taking 6 or 8 guns will not change that fact.

However, consider this: One of the few things the P47 excels at at all altitudes is to burn a lot of E for one good shot opportunity -

That's my game plan, in a nutshell

[bj229r]

Wasn't it BJ who said, In all that excitement I don't know if I fired 3399 rounds or 3400 rounds, The question you have to ask yourself punk, Is do you feel lucky?! 

Back on topic, yep a lighter plane turns better. However, deciding which tanks to drain first sure helps too.

I kill myself

[moot]

 I don't know if I fired 3399 rounds or 3400 rounds, The question you have to ask yourself punk, Is do you feel lucky?!

[dtango]

I don't know if I fired 3399 rounds or 3400 rounds, The question you have to ask yourself punk, Is do you feel lucky?!

"Deservin's got nuthin' to do with it."

Tango
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[Krusty]

Apparently WW2 pilots felt 6 guns more than adequate. They're the ones that removed 2 guns to lighten it.

Also interesting to note, F4Fs and P-40s with 4 guns were felt too lightly armed, so these were increased to 6 guns.

Seems 6 50cals is the magic killing number.

Oh, and if you don't get a P-47 low and slow every once in a while it's like only BNZing with a 109K. You miss out on half the fun. As any other US plane flyer in this game, snapshots with 6x 50cals are still quite lethal.

I'll take the 8 guns option as well, but you shouldn't deride me for suggesting taking the minimum weapons load once in a while. You may learn a thing or two you never thought about one of your favorite planes.