Author Topic: LA-7 (Read 1474 times)

Sorrow[S=A] · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2000, 11:32:00 PM »

Hey! so do we Verm

But that being said, the La-7 would probably be the better plane in this case. It's very fast in it's element, low level fighting and yet has turning ability and e retention to do well at E fighting.

The big thing is the extra boom boom, the extra cannon is what puts the La-7 in the class of the Nik2, P51 and P-38. Let's face it... firepower is winning the battle in the arena and tri 20mm in the nose is a big advantage in both power and the bigger killer, rof to get more bullets flying in snapshots.

The last one (for me anyway) is that the late war Yak was a real paper tissue plane. It had a vulnerable inline motor and to gain it's high speed the Yak had succesivly weaker airframes. I really don't want to fly a plane that makes the old tissue mustang look like a tank.

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leonid · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2000, 01:46:00 AM »

Hey Verm,

No, you're right. The Yak-9U would probably be the better performing plane of the two. And god forbid the Yak-9UT - two 20mm cannons and a 23mm in the prop! If we ever get the -9UT I might even switch over

But if I would have to choose between the La-7 & Yak-9U, my choice would remain the La-7, and the reasons are exactly those given by Sorrow

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5 GIAP VVS RKKA

"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."

Vermillion · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2000, 06:56:00 AM »

Sorrow, where do you get the part about the tissue paper Yak's? Not arguing, its just that I have never heard that before and was curious of its source (always on the lookout for good aircraft information

). The books I have said that in the later model Yaks (-9U & -3) alot of the weight savings from earlier models come from the use of metal wing spars versus wooden (which were actually stronger) and the use of aluminum skinning versus the use of plywood skinning.

Leonid, yeah the Yak-9UT would be extremely nice. And technically, its nothing more than an armament option, just like the 109's wing pods, or the 30mm's in the 190's. We can hope, we can hope

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juzz · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2000, 07:01:00 AM »

Look at your pic of a Yak-3: I don't see much pilot armour there.

leonid · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2000, 08:10:00 AM »

juzz,
Are you talking about the headrest? The headrest in the later Yaks and Lavochkins were 50mm+ bulletproof glass, not metal like in most other air forces. This gave the Soviet fighters a great field of vision.

Verm,
From what information I have gotten the Yakovlev fighters were a bit on the fragile side, maybe on par with the Spitfire. Have you ever seen the rear fuselage of a Yakovlev? It's basically tubular metal construction with a plywood skin. Also, engine damage caused a lot of cockpit fires. I've heard that Yakovlev pilots were often concerned of being burned alive. I'm at work right now, but I think that metal-skinned Yakovlevs never made it to the front, and if so it was very late in the war. I will check on this though to make sure. In any case, in order to damage a Yak-3, you have to hit it, and the Yak-3 was the smallest fighter aircraft in wide-scale production in WWII. Smaller than a Bf 109E.

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Vermillion · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2000, 09:21:00 AM »

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In any case, in order to damage a Yak-3, you have to hit it, and the Yak-3 was the smallest fighter aircraft in wide-scale production in WWII. Smaller than a Bf 109E.

Ain't that the truth Leonid. Trying to shoot down a Yak-3 in WB's was like trying to shoot down a hummingbird with a 12 gauge duckgun.

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Sorrow[S=A] · « **Reply #21 on:** March 09, 2000, 09:25:00 PM »

Well, most of my information on the Yak is from websites devoted to Russian aircraft and a few sites Leo sent done by a person in the USSR doing a project on the Russian fighters.

http://www.crosswinds.net/~russ_arcticfox/la-7.htm

is a good info site for La-7

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Sorrow[S=A] · « **Reply #22 on:** March 09, 2000, 10:03:00 PM »

heh, also if the germans ever DO get the Me-262 _I_ want the La-7R...

http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/la-7r.html

Dare you to find a jet powered Yak

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Vermillion · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2000, 06:38:00 AM »

Hell Sorrow, I would just like to see a late model VVS anything, at this point. I am starting to think Pyro has totally forgotten about Soviet Fighters (and those of us that like to fly them)

Here's a great book you need to pick up Sorrow since you seem to like the VVS stuff, and in particular the Lavockin Series. This is the most comprehensive book I have seen so far on Soviet fighters.

Soviet Combat Aircraft of the Second World War, Vol. 1
Author: Yefim Gordon Dmitri Khazanov
bn.com Price: $27.96
Retail Price: $39.95
You Save: $11.99 (30%)
In-Stock: Ships 2-3 days
Format: Hardcover, 184pp.
ISBN: 1857800834
Publisher: Motorbooks International, Publishers & Wholesalers, Incorpor
Pub. Date: November 1998

There is a companion book on bombers and attack aircraft that is pretty good too.

I highly recommend the set.

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Sorrow[S=A] · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2000, 07:22:00 PM »

Yep, i have quite few books I would order if I had the money, Leo's old WB page has a good beginner list as well (that book is included there) at http://www.oz.net/~guerrero/wb/books.htm

About the only thing that really turns me off about an La-7vsYak is the La-7 has 16% less range than the La-5FN... Last thing we need for the La in MA is less airtime..

And about the planes.. hmm.. They are awfully busy putting more strat and objects in, I think Russian planes have hit their backburner

Hopefully the La-7 and Yak are in their "short list" along with the a6m5b.

-aper- · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2000, 07:37:00 AM »

Here is a Quick Time 3.0/4.0 compatible video film I made some time ago. It based on the WWII movies (most Russian) and well known in Russia song "Yak - fighter". The file is 7,4 mb for download.

ftp://ftp.diploma.ru/incoming/yak-fighter7.zip

I hope the VVS fans would enjoy it.

leonid · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2000, 07:53:00 AM »

Sorrow, my squaddie, actually the fact that ground vehicles are being implemented before any further Soviet aircraft is very good news to me! Ground vehicles will bring the fight down low, exactly where we VVS-types want it! And what better target than ground vehicles for our Il-2 Sturmovik!

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"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."

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leonid · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2000, 10:56:00 AM »

aper!

That was excellent! Ochin horosho!!! And I loved the song too! Great film footage

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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA

"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2000, 06:38:00 PM »

Heh... with that ground ack here, the IL-2 would be just what the doctor ordered.

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-aper- · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2000, 06:41:00 PM »

Thx Leonid!

I'm very glad you like it.