What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[Die Hard]

but that technology is NOT new.

Which one are you referring to?

[CAP1]

All the cars I posted were street legal. And since they're all computer controlled, I can't imagine they'd be any more "temperamental".

we built an eagle talon for a guy. dyno'd the engine to almost 900 hp under boost. it wasn't an AWD car. we had also installed an aftermarket computer control system.
 i had set the fuel, timing, and boost curves to what the engine builder told me to. they were to stay at that setting for the first 1k miles. he also had up turn down the rev limiter to 4500rpm.
 the dude drove it just as he was instructed, then brought it back after the first 1k miles. i turned the boost back up, re-set the fuel, timing, etc.....rev limiter to 7k.

 the engine lasted 3 weeks. this was a reputable engine builder too. it blew the rings i think, as when he went into boost, it blew the dipstick out of the tube.


 you can make big power from little engines. you can't do so reliably. it's proven. fords, chevies, and dodges are still running from 40 years ago.
 do you REALLY think any of this boosted junk will be?

 ooo....in japan, don't you have to replace the engine by law after 40k miles/? and isn't the skyline only available there?

[Die Hard]

The original AC Cobras were a bit of a flop at the races.  It was not until Ford and Shelby redesigned the body, the suspension, well,...everything, that the Daytona Coupe was born.  By the way, the Daytona coupes were driven by Americans, not Europeans.  Dan Gurney and Bob Bondurant were the first team.  Bob won the Lemans in his first outing with the Daytona, and they continued to rack up enough points (they won 7 out of ten races) to win the World Manufacturer Racing cup in 1965.

The Daytona coupes would have been more sucessful had Ford not pulled the plug, favoring the Lola designed GT-40.

Still doesn't change the fact that it is very much an international product. Redesigned, not designed.

[CAP1]

Pushrod and classic OHC are both obsolete technologies. I'm talking computer controlled variable-timed valves with hydraulic lifters. Some would say that those aren't even "modern" anymore since the japs and euros have been using them since the early 90s. Honda V-Tech, BMW Vanos etc.

do you know how many problems i've seen, all because of vsriable valve timing?

on the other hand, it is a good idea, and i like it.

imagine the power output of a good ole v-8 pushrod engine with variable valve timing?(drooly icon goes here)

[CAP1]

Which one are you referring to?

all of it.

turbos
superchargers
overhead cams
fuel injection
disc brakes
rack n pinion
hidden headlights

all been arond since the 30's(except maybe rack n pinion steering)

[Die Hard]

you can make big power from little engines. you can't do so reliably. it's proven.

No it is not. Over-boosting an engine not designed for it will of course shorten its life. An engine designed from the start as a forced induction engine is built to handle the increased pressure.

ooo....in japan, don't you have to replace the engine by law after 40k miles/?

I have no idea.

and isn't the skyline only available there?

No. Well, technically it isn't available anywhere now since it is out of production. The Nissan GT-R is its successor.

[Die Hard]

all of it.

turbos
superchargers
overhead cams
fuel injection
disc brakes
rack n pinion
hidden headlights

all been arond since the 30's(except maybe rack n pinion steering)

Really? Computer controlled fuel injection and valve timing has been around since the 30s. That's news to me!

[Die Hard]

do you know how many problems i've seen, all because of vsriable valve timing?

on the other hand, it is a good idea, and i like it.

imagine the power output of a good ole v-8 pushrod engine with variable valve timing?(drooly icon goes here)

Exactly! Welcome to my world CAP

Btw. Honda has never had a warranty claim for a failed VTech engine. And they've built millions of them.

[Bronk]

Still doesn't change the fact that it is very much an international product. Redesigned, not designed.

ac replica


shelby daytona


Nothing left after the chili king fixed it. Totally different car.

[Skuzzy]

Still doesn't change the fact that it is very much an international product. Redesigned, not designed.

Well, I guess if you call using a lug nut from the AC making it an "International" product, then so be it.  That is about what it amounted to, when it was all said and done.

[RTHolmes]

If you want to prove American automotive superiority over Europe, the GT40 is not a good example. Just sayin.

really. if you want to claim the GT40 as a US car not a british car, then we'll have to claim the P51 as a british fighter, not a US fighter.

GT40: US commission and powerplant; brit design, development and construction.
P51: Brit commission and powerplant; US design, development and contruction.

likewise the Cosworth V8 - Ford ordered and badged it, otherwise a very brit engine.

The Cobra was considered a bit of a dog when released, in contrast to the Ace which although 10 years old by then was a nicely resolved, if underpowered sports car. As skuzzy mentioned, the Daytona Coupe really pulled everything together into a superb race car built specifically for hunting down GTOs. note that even on the Daytona the lead test driver and most of the dev team still had british accents

[Die Hard]

Well, I guess if you call using a lug nut from the AC making it an "International" product, then so be it.  That is about what it amounted to, when it was all said and done.

If you take an existing design and redesign it, even if not a single part remains the same, it is still not an original design. The Spitfire Mk. XIV is still a Spitfire even if it has little in common with the original Mk. I.

[Bronk]

those v-10's don't roar. they friggin BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Z

Guy I work with used to work for Outerlimits (Google outerlimits powerboats). They put 2 naturally aspirated viper engines in a few boats. I believe he said they did over 140 mph.
He said they sound much better with the exhaust they used.

[Skuzzy]

If you take an existing design and redesign it, even if not a single part remains the same, it is still not an original design. The Spitfire Mk. XIV is still a Spitfire even if it has little in common with the original Mk. I.

So, using that logic, all automobiles air conditioning systems are American, as Packard Motor Car was the first automobile manufacturer to incorporate the technology in 1939.  Thus making all cars "international".

Sometimes an existing design is simply used as a guide of the things not to do in a new design.  The Daytona Coupe was a new design.  The things not done, were a result of what was learned from the AC Cobra.

[eagl]

Well, push-rod valves are outdated and inferior to more modern valve technologies... However that doesn't make them useless.

Hmmm...  The pushrod LS1 motor in my 12 year old firebird takes up less space than the 4.6L dual overhead cam mustang motor, puts out more horsepower and torque over a wider power band, and gets better mileage.  It's more durable and can be modified to put out sick horsepower much easier and cheaper than the DOHC mustang motor.

New isn't always better...  The "archiac" and "inferior" pushrod LS series motors are simply better than the overhead cam ford motors for a large variety of applications.  They have larger displacement in a smaller package, get the same or better fuel economy, are more reliable/durable, can still be worked on by true garage mechanics, and are easier/cheaper to modify.  It's simply no contest.  It took almost 8 years after the introduction of the overhead cam mustang engine before ANY factory mustang, including the cobras, could even come close to beating my firebird.