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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #540 on: September 09, 2009, 05:48:33 PM »
It produces power by the virtue of expanding rapidly. This is not useful power however and needs to be harnessed. That's where the cylinder, piston and crank comes in.


No they do not create anything. They convert the kinetic energy into torque. Is it really that difficult to understand the difference between generating energy and transmitting it?

My car is gas powered. I don't fill it up with torque at the service station.

they convert this energy, thus creating torque. torque in the engine would not exist without them.

what
moves
your
car
?
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #541 on: September 09, 2009, 05:50:50 PM »
I've answered that several times now. You obviously believe torque moves your car and that RPM has no effect on power.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #542 on: September 09, 2009, 05:51:23 PM »
Nice personal attack. Losers often use those when they have no real argument to offer.

so, then you're admitting loss?

telling me to "shut up" and to "learn reading comprehension" when i made a mistake in reading seems kind of like a personal attack to me.

i still want to hear what moves your car.  :aok

and kinetic energy is the wrong answer.  :D

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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #543 on: September 09, 2009, 05:52:48 PM »
Jesus Christ... My car is powered by gasoline.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #544 on: September 09, 2009, 05:52:59 PM »
I've answered that several times now. You obviously believe torque moves your car and that RPM has no effect on power.


torque is exactly what moves your car.

kinetic energy is something your car possesses when it is in motion.  :D :aok
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #545 on: September 09, 2009, 05:54:11 PM »
Jesus Christ... My car is powered by gasoline.

i know you're being deliberately  now, right?
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #546 on: September 09, 2009, 05:55:01 PM »
know what the absolute worst part about this entire thread is???


here i am, a ford nut, and i spent sooo dam much time defending chevys.  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #547 on: September 09, 2009, 06:01:37 PM »

torque is exactly what moves your car.

kinetic energy is something your car possesses when it is in motion.  :D :aok

Torque is rotational kinetic energy.

The chemical energy stored in the fuel is converted into kinetic energy by heat expanding the gas. The cylinder and piston converts this kinetic energy into linear kinetic energy, which is then converted into rotational kinetic energy by the crank. At the end of the power train the wheels convert the rotational kinetic energy into linear kinetic energy in the form of propelling the vehicle forward.


Please... please... get it.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/rke.html
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #548 on: September 09, 2009, 06:03:56 PM »
i know you're being deliberately  now, right?

Deliberately what? You seem to have forgotten a word there.

You see, when I say you have a problem with reading I'm not being mean to you. I'm trying to let you know you have a problem.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #549 on: September 09, 2009, 06:15:50 PM »
Torque is rotational kinetic energy.

The chemical energy stored in the fuel is converted into kinetic energy by heat expanding the gas. The cylinder and piston converts this kinetic energy into linear kinetic energy, which is then converted into rotational kinetic energy by the crank. At the end of the power train the wheels convert the rotational kinetic energy into linear kinetic energy in the form of propelling the vehicle forward.


Please... please... get it.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/rke.html

The kinetic energy of an object is the extra energy which it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its current velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. Negative work of the same magnitude would be required to return the body to a state of rest from that velocity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

torque moves the car. kinetic energy is stored in the car as it cruises.

but now that we've established that torque moves your car, do you get it?

the torque curve can be optimized to be where ever the engine designer wants it.

lower is often better, although you guys that like the little 4 cylinders seem to think it's better to rev an engine till it's bordering on exploding.


oo......the word i forgot in the other post was "obtuse". a customer walked in, and i had to tab over to my invoicing program.


oo....BTW...the combustion process does not create kinetic energy.  :devil
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #550 on: September 09, 2009, 06:20:21 PM »
Nice personal attack. Losers often use those when they have no real argument to offer.

No, son.

Loser's cry "personal attack" when their visit to Wikipedia results in "Oh, poo... he's right."

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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #551 on: September 09, 2009, 06:24:22 PM »
No, son.

Loser's cry "personal attack" when their visit to Wikipedia results in "Oh, poo... he's right."

Keep 'em coming. They bounce right off.  :aok
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #552 on: September 09, 2009, 06:28:10 PM »
The kinetic energy of an object is the extra energy which it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its current velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. Negative work of the same magnitude would be required to return the body to a state of rest from that velocity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

torque moves the car. kinetic energy is stored in the car as it cruises.

but now that we've established that torque moves your car, do you get it?

the torque curve can be optimized to be where ever the engine designer wants it.

lower is often better, although you guys that like the little 4 cylinders seem to think it's better to rev an engine till it's bordering on exploding.


oo......the word i forgot in the other post was "obtuse". a customer walked in, and i had to tab over to my invoicing program.


oo....BTW...the combustion process does not create kinetic energy.  :devil

Please... "The kinetic energy of an object is the extra energy which it possesses due to its motion." When the fuel/air mix is expanding it is very much in motion, and the only way for it to transfer energy to the piston is for the gas molecules to collide with the piston, thus transferring their kinetic energy. There is no magical force involved here CAP.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #553 on: September 09, 2009, 06:33:02 PM »
Please... "The kinetic energy of an object is the extra energy which it possesses due to its motion." When the fuel/air mix is expanding it is very much in motion, and the only way for it to transfer energy to the piston is for the gas molecules to collide with the piston, thus transferring their kinetic energy. There is no magical force involved here CAP.


i know that.

but the combustion process does not create kinetic energy. it does create something, but not kinetic energy.
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Re: What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?
« Reply #554 on: September 09, 2009, 06:35:45 PM »
Nothing better than a good ole fashion torque versus power discussion.   :devil