Just for you, Pongo

[Kieren]

Made that He111 run you proposed. Hit F4 with all 10 troops (er, bombs) from 20K. With 7K + the missing 40mph or so I woulda been completely uncontested.  

[Pongo]

Well thats it then kieren....This arena is 111 certified...
I took a buff to 30k and took out the ack, tower, and bunker at 19 then the tower and bunker at 17 and 18 then all the ack at 19 again on return. Shot down a F4u1Cannon in the proccess, out of fuel right after 19, glided to 14 for landing.
You will need uncontested flights if you bring the 111 into this arena..


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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

[Kieren]

Pongo-

Don't know if I misunderstand you or not, but you sound kind of hostile. I'm not trying to rile you up.  

FWIW I was contested on the trip. I had a Spit climbing to me, and an F4U-1C finally caught me (on the runway in my own ack!!). Even in a lowly, 200mph max, not climbing worth anything, no form of defense type plane I still got to target and almost back.

I contend the plane could be successful, though not be the most successful bomber of AH. Certainly we can agree there?

[gatt]

Sorry if I jump in your personal thread but IMHO a lot of fighters pilot simply let buffs fly around unmolested. As far as I am concerned I have tried sometime to catch up with a buff still climbing like a stellar-rocket at 30K+ ....
Now, if they have alt advantage I let them go without wasting fuel, WEP and .... liver.

Gatt
4°Stormo CT

   
 

[Pongo]

Well I was not angry Keiren, I was a bit confused as to your opinion on the first LW bomber debate...I am in favour of a bomber that is viable in late 44. Not a converted 1933 airliner that would be a curiosity in the MA. My reference to my buff mission from the same night was to try to ask how many people will pick the 111 as a bombing platform?
The 111 was one of the most costly Airframe mistakes the germans made, why should HTC repeat it.
The 111 was made obsolete by the introduction of the 20mm hispano into single seat service with the RAF, but in AH it will have to contend with German and French(?) cannon armed fighters in 1940.. Did it come out in daylight on the Western front after that?
I guess we dont agree. I dont think the plane has a place here with the plane set we have, yet there are LW bombers that do. Why would we choose the 111?  I want to see it some time but it is way down the list.
As an asside I have been in one of the merlin engined 111s. I was amazed that anybody lived through a contested attack with one. The front is entirly glass and there isnt a square inch of the frontal cross section that doesnt have a german filling it. I believe that it would be a waste of Nates or Superflys time to model this plane right now. Even in 1940 any 20mm armed plane would chew the 111 down with ease. So the MS 406 and the 109e4 and the 110 would eat it up.
 
Gatt. There are many pilots that always go after bombers..It takes all kinds.

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Pongo
The Wrecking Crew

[Kieren]

Pongo-

I can't really disspell a single word of your response, as it is probably a very fair analysis. My problem is that the romantic side believes that it may find its niche.

I never believed the B26 would make it either, but I was wrong. That causes me to think a little longer on the concept. More, there are still He111's out there to get information about, something that likely cannot be said of the He177.

No doubt the 177 is a better bomber on paper and in the AH reality. Can an accurate representation be made on available documentation might be another issue.