Bring the StuG III or IV to AH!

[Rendar]

It's a good companion to the Jumbo Sherman proposed by another player.  Here is a link to the StuG III specs:   ]http://www.achtungpanzer.com/stug.htm  .  Look at the very bottom of the page, Ausfuhrung G.  This would not be an uber vehicle, but it would be sufficiently different from the Panzer IV H to include in AH.  It would be great to get a T-34/76 + StuG III G package.

   

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Rendar

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[Staga]

And Yanks can drive it too  

 

[Dowding]

I suggest it would be more useful to include a vehicle that could be used in a scenario  - i.e. Allied as opposed to Axis.

T-34 maybe.

But I want to fly the Il-2 in a campaign, so maybe I'm biased.  

[Staga]

Anyway HTC has already done 50% of StuG  

[Rendar]

The 76.2mm of the T-34, though.  If it was the 85mm, then the Germans would need to have the Panther G or such.  T-34 and StuG III really need to be included.  Also, the Ju-87G would have to make it in the same release so both sides would have a tank killing plane.  

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Rendar

[Rendar]

punt!  

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Rendar

[Pongo]

I love the stug III but can there possibly be a vehicle that is less important to add to AH?
Same gun as the only tank we have.
Same mg as the only tank we have
same speed as the only tank we have
equivilent armour to the only tank we have
same colour as the only tank we have

Why not just not use your turret travers on the panzer and you are there......
Or introduce the Panzer IVG as an important variant.

[Rendar]

The StuG's armor is only slightly sub-par to that of the Panther.  Also, it is a low-profile vehicle.  It's not the same color as StuGs may be painted colors other than what we have right now.  If you want the T-34/76, you will need to give the Germans the StuG III G.  Plain and simple.  In my post I stated that the StuG III G should come in a package with the T-34/76, not just by itself.

Another, how can you say that its not important?  It had tens of thousands of tank kills during the war!  If it's "the same thing as the Panzer IV H", then why did the IV not get tens of thousands of tank kills?  True, StuG crews were sometimes better trained, but you can't ignore the numbers.

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Rendar

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[Jochen]

The StuG's armor is only slightly sub-par to that of the Panther.[quuote]

Panther frontal and side armor far is superior to Stug's. Stug's armor plates are mostly in vertival or in small angle unlike Panthers which has well slanted plates, some in 60 degree angle making them very hard to penetrate.

If you want the T-34/76, you will need to give the Germans the StuG III G. Plain and simple. In my post I stated that the StuG III G should come in a package with the T-34/76, not just by itself.

What would Stug III do better than PzKw IVH? It is only bit smaller and armor is not that different. It does not have AAMG making it very vulnerable to air attacks. It is forced to turn its whole hull if target is outside of its narrow frontal sector.

Stug III was only stop gap measure to counter large number of soviet tanks. It was a substitute for real tank.

Why introduce Stug III which is similar to PzKw IVH we already have?

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jochen / Gefechtsverband Kowalewski

Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87D, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolschevismus!

[Rendar]

Fine...I'm to tired to argue...

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Rendar

[Toad]

Could we possibly get some GV's from other nations first? Or is that simply out of the question?

M-3
M-16
Ostwind
Panzer IV Type H


Hmmm. Two US trucks and two German armored vehicles.

Did any other country field anything of note?

Guess not. Sorry. Ignore this post.

 

[R4M]

 

Originally posted by Jochen:


Stug III was only stop gap measure to counter large number of soviet tanks. It was a substitute for real tank.

Huhm. No. And not by far. The StuGIII (and all sturmgeschutz series) were NOT intended to counter tanks. They were FIELD ARTILLERY weapons in a tank's turretless chassis. If fact they were owned by the Artillery branch of the Wehrmacht, not by the Panzerwaffe.

What happened is that,from 1943 onwards, the shortage of real tanks made the Germans use sometimes this weapons in the tank role when they had nothing more at hand because they had a decent SECONDARY antitank capability.

 But they were SELF PROPELLED FIELD GUNS, to provide direct fire support to the Infantry. And this, they did pretty well. Not so in the tank role.

I think you are thinking about the Jagdpanzer series but these had nothing to do with the StuG-type weapons.
 
The Jagdpanzers were modified, uparmored, turretless tank chassis with BIG antitank weapons, not field guns. And IMO they have a place in this game. I dont know you, but I would drool driving a JagdPanther...  


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[Pongo]

My point is that it would be 90% identical in a game sence to the panzer IV. Why spend time modeling it? The Sherman M4A3-75 and the T34-85 are waiting....

[Gargoyle]

It's an older tank, but how about the British Grant.  2 main guns (75mm and 37mm IIRC) would be pretty fun to fight with...

[chunder']

 

Originally posted by Gargoyle:
It's an older tank, but how about the British Grant.  2 main guns (75mm and 37mm IIRC) would be pretty fun to fight with...

The British Grant is actually the American-built M3 General Lee medium tank... it is totally outclassed by the Panzer IV.