Why?

[Helm]

Dunno if anyone can answer this, but why is the TA-152 a 5 ENY plane? It's fast and has big guns, but it's, as righfully nicknamed by a few, a flying football field. It's roll rate doesn't rival the 190s, and its turn rate isn't anything to be proud of, but it still has a lower ENY than the FW-190.

So back to my question, why?

Moot's head is going to explode when he reads this!   

   Moot!


Helm ...out

[SlapShot]

The 262 falls of at a geometric rate past 22k.  At 25k a 262 isn't much of a fight.

And neither are the bombers at 25K much of a fight for a 262 slashing back and forth at 400 mph.

In the 7 years I have been playing this game and all the 262s that I have flown ... I have only had 1 real dogfight in a 262 and that was against another 262 ... all by ourselves ... was one of the most nerve wracking fights I have ever had ... it lasted over 5 minutes.

Of all the 262s that I have seen flown by the real 262 experts ... I can't for the life remember anyone of them actually dogfight it ... they are master pickers and can BnZ the snot of those planes ... but a outright dogfight ... can't remember one.

[Strip]

Back when the DA had 262's I grew quite fond of dog fighting them.  It was hard to do any kind of furballing due to the instant dog pile though. In the MA it usually boils down to fear of losing perk points. Even if you think you can beat one plane it doesn't matter. You know his buddies are right behind him to join in.

The 262 once at 25,000 is untouchable flown right, or any altitude for that matter. It may not be able to "fight" but it can certainly kill bombers at that altitude.

[LLogann]

I wasn't very clear....... 262 performance falls geometrically past 23k.  A 262 at 25k, even with a master behind the controls, will fall short of killing any bombers...Aside from the afk ones.

And neither are the bombers at 25K much of a fight for a 262 slashing back and forth at 400 mph.

Doubter's can go to TA and try to handle the bird themselves above 20k.......  You will find out fast how poor it handles.  

No Strip.......  It is very "touchable"

[sethipus]

With a prop hanging in front of it anyway....

 

Actually, the 262 isn't that great at 25k.  It loses altitude insanely fast (like most planes that high) and gets it back only grudgingly.  The 163, I'll grant, is just fine up there, and no, nothing with a prop will touch it.  Special case though.

Personally, I'd love to see a series of head to head fights at 30k between the TA 152 and the P-47N.  I'm not 100% convinced that the TA-152 is really the clear best of the best up high.

[Saurdaukar]

Dunno if anyone can answer this, but why is the TA-152 a 5 ENY plane? It's fast and has big guns, but it's, as righfully nicknamed by a few, a flying football field. It's roll rate doesn't rival the 190s, and its turn rate isn't anything to be proud of, but it still has a lower ENY than the FW-190.

So back to my question, why?

Answer in reality = high-altitude performance.

Answer in the main arenas = zoom climb/E-retention.

Youre flying it wrong. 

[Lusche]

I wasn't very clear....... 262 performance falls geometrically past 23k.  A 262 at 25k, even with a master behind the controls, will fall short of killing any bombers...Aside from the afk ones.

While the 262 is getting very sluggish above 22K very quickly, the above statement is a vast exaggeration. I got a lot of kills vs huge bomber missions at 25k, even escorted once. You just have to watch your E and be more patient than one already has to be when fighting against multiple-player formation boxes.

[LLogann]

Okay, fine, aside from a Master behind the controls then........... 

While the 262 is getting very sluggish above 22K very quickly, the above statement is a vast exaggeration. I got a lot of kills vs huge bomber missions at 25k, even escorted once. You just have to watch your E and be more patient than one already has to be when fighting against multiple-player formation boxes.

[Strip]

The 262 once at 25,000 is untouchable flown right, or any altitude for that matter.

I wasn't very clear....... 262 performance falls geometrically past 23k.  A 262 at 25k, even with a master behind the controls, will fall short of killing any bombers...Aside from the afk ones.

Doubter's can go to TA and try to handle the bird themselves above 20k.......  You will find out fast how poor it handles. 

No Strip.......  It is very "touchable"

I wonder what the words "flown right" mean.....

 

Given an a fair chance to get to altitude I am going to pick the Me-262 every time. I can effect a meaningful attack while being able to engage and disengage at will. Amazingly like the real thing some 65 years ago.

Strip

[kilz]

Some (very few and I am not one of them), know how to unlock its potential.  If you already knew this, then my point is m00t.   

thats the first person that came to mind when i read this m00t:aok

[AWwrgwy]

Figure the Ta used to be perked and now it's not....


wrongway

[Krusty]

Folks like to throw out "it's good up high" -- but they never try it down low.

It's fast. VERY fast. Not the fastest in the game, but only a few mph short of the 190D on the deck. It passes the 190D above a certain alt.

It has amazing WEP. Can zoom climb, accelerate, dump E, regain it, and the WEP runs for 10 minutes.

It has a super punch weapons combo. 90 rounds of 30mm (more than 109K4 even) and on top of that 20mms to "reach out and touch someone" if you like.

It's an overall dogfighter, just not a spitfire.

You fly it enough you'll see why it's ENY 5. It's not easy, but neither is a tempest, or a spit14, or a 262, and they're all ENY5 if I recall. If not, well they're perked anyways!

[usvi]

<---Makes popcorn and waits for Moot.

[Noir]

the 262 got neutered, and is weighting too much. I still enjoy it at times, come in noe, and surprise climbing people just outside their base