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shifty95

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J2M3 Raiden
« on: September 06, 2009, 07:53:40 AM »
one of the only jappanesse planes that was armored. compared to other jap planes, this is less manuverable, but more powerful. it had four 20 mm cannons. it's main purpose was as an interceptor, it was very effective against the B-29, and was the only jap plane that could reach the altitudes of the B-29. a stubby little thing, kinda looks like a jug, but i love this aircraft.
here's some images:

http://gunpoint-3d.com/view-Raiden.f.html

http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Kits/WW2/Revell/Raiden/Raiden.html

apparently, most of the links to this plane are to websites of model kits, so this must be a popular model plane.
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Offline sandwich

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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2009, 09:01:20 AM »
I like it  :aok

General characteristics

Crew: one, pilot
Length: 9.70 m (32 ft 8 in)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35 ft 5 in)
Height: 3.81 m (13 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 20 m² (216 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,839 kg (6,259 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,482 kg (7,676 lb)
Powerplant: 1× One 1,820hp Mitsubishi MK4R-A Kasei 23a 14-cylinder two-row radal, 1,358 kW (1,820 hp)
Performance

Maximum speed: 612 km/h (332 kn, 382 mph)
Range: 560 km (302 nmi, 348 mi)
Service ceiling: 11,250 m (36,910 ft)
Rate of climb: 1,170 m/min (3,838 ft/min)
Wing loading: 174 kg/m² (35 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.39 kW/kg (0.24 hp/lb)
Armament


Guns: 4 × 20 mm Type 99-2 cannons in the wings, two in each wing, inboard guns having 190 rpg, outboard guns 210 rpg.
Ordinance: 2 × 60 kg (132 lb) bombs or 2 × 200 L (53 US gal) drop tanks.

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Offline Saxman

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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009, 09:09:58 AM »
Eventually, maybe, but the Ki-43, G4M, and maybe even Ki-45 are all much more important gap-fillers.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2009, 09:43:41 AM »
Together with the Ki-44, this should be on top of the japanese AC priority list.   
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2009, 10:15:57 AM »
shifty93,

Most Japanese aircraft were roughly as armored as their western counterparts.  The only unarmored ones we have in AH are the A6Ms, D3A and B5N, all of which are early designs.  All later Japanese aircraft included various levels of protection.  The Ki-43 would also be completely unprotected as would the G4M1 or G4M2, though Mitsubishi protested this but was overruled by the Navy's desire to get ludicrous range on a twin engined bomber.  The A7M, B6N, B7A, D4Y, H8K, J2M, Ki-44, Ki-61, Ki-67, Ki-84, Ki-100, Ki-102, N1K and P1Y were all protected.

Also, keep in mind that the Bf109s and Hurricanes in the Battle of France and earlier were also completely unarmored.
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Offline CountD90

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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2009, 06:50:17 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on September 06, 2009, 10:15:57 AM
The A7M, B6N, B7A, D4Y, H8K, J2M, Ki-44, Ki-61, Ki-67, Ki-84, Ki-100, Ki-102, N1K and P1Y were all protected.

If the N1K, and the Ki-84 we have are armored the Japanese didn't do a very good job at it. They both seem to fall apart at just the muzzle flash from my 109K4... :lol
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2009, 09:40:54 PM »
Quote from: CountD90 on September 06, 2009, 06:50:17 PM
If the N1K, and the Ki-84 we have are armored the Japanese didn't do a very good job at it. They both seem to fall apart at just the muzzle flash from my 109K4... :lol
Don't be an idiot.  The 30mm does that to everything with one engine.  The Ki-84 is significantly tougher than a Spitfire for example.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 10:23:50 AM »
Quote from: Karnak on September 06, 2009, 09:40:54 PM
Don't be an idiot.  The 30mm does that to everything with one engine.  The Ki-84 is significantly tougher than a Spitfire for example.


LOL, but the spit seems to be able to take 2 30mm if you hit it a certain way. So I think the spit has the uber armor lol.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 10:31:38 AM »
Quote from: CountD90 on September 07, 2009, 10:23:50 AM

LOL, but the spit seems to be able to take 2 30mm if you hit it a certain way. So I think the spit has the uber armor lol.
If you look at the Spit's armor and the Ki-84's armor they are basically the same.  In addition, in AH, the Ki-84 retains its wings under far more punishment than will a Spitfire.  Many players have commented that the Ki-84 is actually fairly tough.  Your 30mm cannon is not a good tool to detect differences in durability.

Also, don't mistake armor for structural strength.  The A6M series is quite strong structurally, but lacks armor to protect the pilot, fuel tanks or engine.  You can put armor on a fighter and still have it break up under machine gun fire.  Imagine a Ki-43 with pilot armor and self sealing tanks, that would hardly fix, and might worsen, its structural deficiencies.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
+1 Add it!
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 02:52:33 PM »
Quote from: shifty95 on September 06, 2009, 07:53:40 AM
one of the only jappanesse planes that was armored. compared to other jap planes, this is less manuverable, but more powerful. it had four 20 mm cannons. it's main purpose was as an interceptor, it was very effective against the B-29, and was the only jap plane that could reach the altitudes of the B-29. a stubby little thing, kinda looks like a jug, but i love this aircraft.
here's some images:

http://gunpoint-3d.com/view-Raiden.f.html

http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Kits/WW2/Revell/Raiden/Raiden.html

apparently, most of the links to this plane are to websites of model kits, so this must be a popular model plane.




How about you say "jap" again.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 03:58:09 PM »
Quote from: Unit791 on September 07, 2009, 02:52:33 PM



How about you say "jap" again.

is that a bad word or something? it wont let me say it on fighter ace.
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Offline Saxman

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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2009, 04:13:52 PM »
It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 04:15:06 PM »
wouldn't this be the German Ta-152?

Like to see this then these whinny cupcakes wont cry about never killing a B-29 when we get it.
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Re: J2M3 Raiden
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 04:23:38 PM »
Quote from: Saxman on September 07, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.

It's okay you can still say Yank, Kraut, and Brit, though.


Not even close to a TA 152 Oaktree.
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