My top 5 choices for the next aircraft. What are yours?

[Karnak]

When I consider all things, what I think would be most useful in the MA, what I think is fair for the various nationalities and what I would personally use, I came up with these:

Iluyshin Il-2 Type 3M

Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79-II

Messerschmitt Me410A

DeHaviland Mosquito B.MkIX


The Il-2 Type 3M I would use for all ground attack missions.  With its guns, either two 23mm or two 37mm, and its loadout of 2x250kg bombs, 4x132mm rockets or 192x2.5kg PTAB anti-tank bomblets it would be the ultimate ground attack aircraft.  It is also tough enough and maneuverable enough to have a chance against fighters.  It would add a dedicated ground attack aircraft to AH (which the Typhoon is not).  And lastly, it would add to the Russian list of aircraft.

I would use the H8K2 "Emily" as both an Axis bomber and torpedo plane.  It brings a tough, well defended, 4 engined Axis aircraft into the game.  The Emily's armament of 5 20mm cannon as well as multiple smaller guns plus the fact that it has good self sealing tanks and armor for the engines and all crew members means that it would probably replace the B-17G as the nastiest bomber to attack.  It would, of course, also add a multi engined Japanese aircraft that, unlike the G4M "Betty", is not cannon-fodder.

I have to admit that I am extremely unlikely to fly the S.M.79-II.  However it is only fair to add a multi-engined Italian aircraft to AH.  I selected the 79-II because it has both bomb and torpedo capability while the 79-III only has torpedo capability.

The Me410A would be an extremely versatile aircraft that could serve in many, many ways.  Just think of all the loadouts it had.  I shudder to think of what the loadout selection screen would look like.  I would fly this aircraft occasionally.  It would add a good heavy Luftwaffe fighter to AH.

The Mosquito B.MkIX would act as a fast manuverable light bomber.  Although it is unarmed, it could fly at 425mph and carry a single 4,000lb "cookie".  It would also be easy to do other versions once this aircraft was added.  With the addition of this aircraft the RAF's three main successes would be present; Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster.  I would definitely fly this aircraft.


I opted against the Aichi B7A2 Ryusei "Grace" and the Tupolev Tu-2 because I feel that they are too good.  With the addition of the B7A2, why ever take a TBF Avenger in the MA?  With the addition of the Tu-2, why ever take a B-26B?

Try to pick new airframes, not variants of existing aircraft.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Zigrat]

list looks great karnak. especially the IL-2 up there at #1.

everyone wants this airplane (IL2-M3) I SERIOUSLY hope pyro and crew spring it as a surprise like they did the p-47

[juzz]

1. Attack: Il-2 Type 3M - duh.

2. Attack bomber: Tu-2S - 300mph on deck, 340mph at about 18k. Maximum bombload of 3x1000kg bombs. 2xShVAK forward firing cannon, 3x12.7mm UBT defensive guns. Edit - some incorrect info.

3. Fast bomber: P1Y1 - OK, so not that fast at 340mph, but for a IJN bomber it is. Can carry a torpedo or 1000kg bombload. Low wingloading and a flexible 20mm up front and at the back would make it a danger to any intercepting fighters, plus it looks damn cool!

4. Heavy fighter: Beaufighter Mk VIC - 300mph on the deck, 4x20mm, 6x.303in or 8x60lb rockets, plus 2x250lb bombs or a torpedo. Die, shipping, die!

5. Italian bomber: S.M.79-II - With 3 Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radials of 1000HP it should have quite respectable performance, plus it can carry 2 torpedoes and has better defensive firepower than the Ju 88A-4.

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 11-18-2000).]

[Dowding]

CAS A/C: Il-2 (pleeeaaaazzzee!)

High speed, low level bomber:Mosquito B.MkIX

Heavy Fighter: Bristol Beaufighter - it was a fantastic, versatile plane. It's anti-shipping capability (I think it could carry 2xtorps.) is well documented. Didn't the Japanese call it 'Whispering Death'? It would be great in Afrika Korps, instead of us having to fly typhoon  .

Fighter: La-7 - this would be a nice addition.  



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Dowding

No. 272 Squadron "Whispering Death"

[Replicant]

Yep, the Japanese called the Beaufighter the whispering death because of it's ultra quiet engines!!    The Australian version (Mk21) of the Mk X had 4x.50s replacing the 6x.303s and also had higher powered engines.

Bring it on!  I wanna torpedo some ships!

Nexx

[Vosper]

Great list, except I'd vote for a Beaufighter Mk X instead of the Mossie (I know, both would be great) since the the Beau is the more unique plane and not done before (IIRC)

Cheers

[funked]

Pick a Sturmovik (Il-2/Il-10).
Pick a Soviet bomber (Pe-2/Tu-2).
Pick a Japanese bomber.
Pick a Japanese Army aircraft.
Pick an RAF light/medium bomber.

One from each of those categories would make scenarios much easier to do, thank you!

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 11-18-2000).]

[StSanta]

ME 410
Tankbusting JU-87
ME 410
Tankbusting JU-87  

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9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}

[Ghosth]

H8K would be an awesome choice for the first Japanese hvy bomber!

From the sound of it Everyone wants the IL-2  

[juzz]

Missed this first time around...

"I opted against the Aichi B7A2 Ryusei "Grace" and the Tupolev Tu-2 because I feel that they are too good. With the addition of the B7A2, why ever take a TBF Avenger in the MA? With the addition of the Tu-2, why ever take a B-26B?"

WHY do the TBF and B-26B have to be the best a/c in their class? Isn't this the same Karnak who says buffs are easy to kill, yet now we can't have any better ones? HUH?!

What really baffles me is that the Tu-2 is "too good", but then you pick a bomber(of which only 4 were made  ) which would be able to cruise at 35,000ft, virtually immune to interception, and drop it's 4,000lb bombload with deadly AH accuracy where ever it pleased! Hmmm....  

For funked:

Il-2 Type 3M
Tu-2S
P1Y1
Ki-84-Ib
Wellington III(Keeping to the 1942 theme  )

[fd ski]

Any RAF fighter produced past 1942 ?  


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Bartlomiej Rajewski
aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

Northolt Wing Headquarters

[TheWobble]

being a "bomber dweeb" and pending the "bomb drift" fix

I would have to say the B-29 superfortress, I know many would say that it would make the b-17 and Lanc useless but based on that standard we would only have 6 or 7 fighters total! Bomber pilots have a hard enough time as it is almost never being able to get escort and having to go in alone most of the time, shouldent we be AT LEAST be able to have the best bombers that were available?

besides, it is practically the plane that won the pacific war and to ignore that is to undermind the whole existance of this game.

[Mathman]

Well, my first choice for the next plane to be added is going to be in the nest version (F6F... heheh only cats I like are the ones made by Grumman  ).  Therefore, I will only mention 2:

2:  Some kind of naval divebomber to go with the fleet.  I would like to see the SBD-5 or the Judy.

3:  A Japanese Air Force fighter, either the Ki-84 or Ki-100 (preferably the late model with the bubble canopy, but either would be great)

-math

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"Any American fighter near Orote Penninsula.  I have forty Jap planes surrounded and need a little help."
-Ens. W.B. "Spider" Webb during the Marians Turkey Shoot

[fabrika6]

--S.M.79 Sparviero—
Year                     1937
Engines N°3 Alfa romeo 126 RC34
Wing Span       m 21.20
Lenght          m 15.625
Height         m 4.1
Wing surface      m2 61.7
Empty Weight      Kg 6650
Max Take off Weight   Kg 12500
Max Power at Take off   CV 2700
Wing load   Kg/m2    217
Weight/power ratio Kg/CV 4.9
Take off run      m 650
Total fuel capacity, 8055 liters.

Armament:
One fixed and two flexible 12.7-mm  BREDA SAFAT machine gun.
one flexible 7.7 LEWIS machine gun.
Internal bomb load:
two 1,100 lb , five 550 lb, or twelve 220 lb bombs.
As a torpedo bomber one or two 450 mm torpedos.

Max speed at:        Sea Level = 223 mph  at  2060 rpm
3280 ft.    = 227 mph  at  2100 rpm
6560 ft.    = 238 mph  at  2170 rpm
9840 ft.    = 251 mph  at  2260 rpm
13120 ft.    = 267 mph  at  2395 rpm
16400 ft.    = 261 mph  at  2320 rpm
19680 ft.    = 252 mph  at  2240 rpm

Climb to:                3280 ft.    =   3 min.   8 sec.
6560 ft.    =   5 min.  58 sec.
9840 ft.    =   9 min.  15 sec.
13120 ft.    =  13 min.  15 sec.
16400 ft.    =  19 min.  45 sec.
18045 ft.    =  24 min.  21 sec.
Service ceiling:    21325 ft.
Max range : (at 16400ft. 211 mph)  2050 miles
Stalling speed :    80 mph http://utenti.tripod.it/eaglepress2/s79/s79bis.htm

--Reggiane 2005--
Year      : 1943
Engine      : 1 x Daimler-Benz DB605A, 1475 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan   : 11.00 m
Length      : 8.75 m
Weight      : 3550 kg
Max. speed   : 678 km/h
Ceiling      : 11200 m
Range      : 1260 km
Crew      : 1
Armament   : 3x20mm + 2x12.7mm guns

--Mitsubishi Ki.67-I-Otsu Hiryu--
Year     : 1944
Engine     : 2 x Mitsubishi Ha.104 , 1900 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan  : 22.50 m
Length    : 18.70 m
Weight     : 13765 kg
Max. speed: 537 km/h
Ceiling     : 9470 m
Range     : 3800 km
Crew     : 6
Payload   : 800kg bombs or 900kg torpedo
Armament        : 1x20mm + 4x12.7mm guns

-- Il-2 --
Year   : 1940
Engine   : 1 x AM-38F , 1760 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan: 14.60 m
Length   : 11.65 m
Weight   : 6360 kg
Max. speed: 404 km/h
Ceiling   : 3500 m
Range   : 765 km
Crew   : 1-2
Payload   : 500kg bombs and 16x82mm rockets
Armament: 2x23mm + 1x12.6mm + 2x7.62mm guns

--Nakajima Ki.84-I-Ko Hayate--
Year   : 1944
Engine   : 1 x Nakajima Ha.45 , 1900 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan: 11.23 m
Length   : 9.92 m
Weight   : 3890 kg
Max. speed: 631 km/h
Ceiling   : 10500 m
Range   : 1695 km
Crew   : 1
Armament: 2x20mm + 2x13mm guns

Se all planes at http://canopus.lpi.msk.su/~watson/wwiifighters.html

FabriKA6

1°Gruppo Caccia “Asso di Bastoni”

[maik]

Messerschmitt Me410A

Iluyshin Il-2 Type 3M

Kawanishi H8K2 "Emily"

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79-II

DeHaviland Mosquito B.MkIX


In that order plz  .

Maik