General Discussion

[Ack-Ack]

Vinkman, ENY is roughly lethality.  It's not k/d..  It's a pretty good (meaning reliable) ballpark figure made for the perk points and country balancing system.  So lethality isnt perfectly accurate but that's close to it.

I guess it depends on how we wish to define "lethality".  To me, I define "lethality" as a plane's killing power and not combat effectiveness.  For example, the P-38G has the same lethality as the P-38J (carries the same gun and ordnance package) but has a lower ENY value than the J.  However, the G is not as combat effective as the J because of the lack of WEP and shorter range.


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[texastc316]

38s r the seksie

[bozon]

I guess it depends on how we wish to define "lethality".  To me, I define "lethality" as a plane's killing power and not combat effectiveness.

It is based on the lethality of the plane to the game. If it kills the game, the eny is lower.

[Ack-Ack]

It is based on the lethality of the plane to the game. If it kills the game, the eny is lower.

Then explain how a plane like the P-38G which is just as lethal as the P-38J (same gun and ordnance package) has a higher ENY value?  The only difference is the combat effectiveness between the two for the stated reasons I posted earlier.  The G has no WEP and shorter fuel capacity and range which reduces its combat effectiveness compared to the J but still retains the same lethality level.


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[moot]

It's like you said, depends on what's meant by lethality.  The G's lethality is lesser than the J's because its gun package is multiplied by a smaller amount of mobility.  It's the whole package that counts.

[USRanger]

[Ack-Ack]

It's like you said, depends on what's meant by lethality.  The G's lethality is lesser than the J's because its gun package is multiplied by a smaller amount of mobility.  It's the whole package that counts.

The gun package is the same, 4x .50s and 20 mm on the G has the same lethality levels as the J.  The 6x bazooka rockets and 2x 1,000 pound bombs has the same lethality as the J's ordnance package.  Lethality wise, there is no difference, the only difference is combat effectiveness which is hampered by the lack of WEP and short range of the G.  As for killing power, it's exactly the same as the J.

If you look up how the ENY system works, it's states its based on combat effectiveness and not lethality.


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[Shuffler]

I have no idea... I find them all less effective when i am in any of them than when yall are.


Could this be a grass is greener point?

[moot]

AKAK if a general looks down on his battle plans, the lethality of an element will vary in any given situation.   A squad of pyros may be more lethal than a giant railway gun.  Put head to head. the pyros will kill the railway gun everytime.  In AH the given situation varies relatively little: almost everything happens in A2A.  So the general looking down on his AH battle plans can say that a B25H isn't as lethal in A2A as typically found in the MA as you might think looking only at its guns.

So no, ENY isn't firepower.. ENY is the whole package, and the whole package's lethality is the product of package's firepower and mobility.  A B25H in MA A2A isn't particularily lethal because its ability to kill is very handicapped by its lack of mobility -- to make the guns' lethality useful.  The american bald eagle isn't lethal to mosquitoes.  Semantics like you said

[Lazerr]

photochopper.. that is definately a zeke flame!

[Becinhu]

Corky doesn't fly a white nose 38 either...or else it would be accurate
 

[Shuffler]

Corky doesn't fly a white nose 38 either...or else it would be accurate
 

Green man... they gotta be green.

[Vinkman]

So no, ENY isn't firepower.. ENY is the whole package, and the whole package's lethality is the product of package's firepower and mobility.  A B25H in MA A2A isn't particularily lethal because its ability to kill is very handicapped by its lack of mobility -- to make the guns' lethality useful.  The american bald eagle isn't lethal to mosquitoes.  Semantics like you said

So what your saying Moot, is that the AH team adds up some kind of point value that combines Speed, range, firepower, manueverability, etc and that determines ENY {plane to plane}, But compiled MA data such as K/D etc, might support or contradict the AH point system, but is not used to calculate it.

I agree with ACK that 'effectiveness' sounds like it should be results based, and NOT spec-sheet based.

Which brings us to whether the data from arena's supports the ENY model.

Can anyone from HTC set the record straight?

My appologies for not knowing who here works for HTC.  

[moot]

It'll say Admin under their name.
There's been a lot of debate over ENY values, and over how they're determined..
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,257115.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,193629.0.html
Search for eny + some key word like "determined".

[Big Rat]

I thought we decided this long ago and put the proper plane on the home page "A HOG"

 
BigRat