HTC please could you put these on the 190 :)

[hazed-]

Ive been reading 'The Luftwaffe fighter force:The view from the cockpit' by Adolf Galland et al (ISBN 1-85367-327-7)

 
'The Fw190 anti-tank aircraft were equipped with 12 Panzerschreck (Tank-terro) RP. The rockets wer fired in threes from mounts fitted to a wing bomb rack.Later the FW 190 were fitted with 12 Panzerblitz (tank-Lightning) RPs. Then the bomb racks had to be taken off each wing and a special rack for 6 Panzerblitz RP built under each wing. The FW 190 anti-tank aircraft could always carry along a bomb under the fuselage and instead of the Panzerschreck rack,bombs could be carried on the wing bomb racks.'

It obviously refers to the 190 but unfortunately not the varient.
However I have read the 190F8 and 190F9 flew in geschwaders together and one of them used the rockets.Couldnt we in the interest of gameplay have air to ground rockets?


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Hazed
9./JG54

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Those rockets are just field infantry style Panzershrek with slightly larger rocket motors. Their effective range was in th 120-200M range. Luftwaffe pilots found them absolutly useless as even a tank co-ax gun could shoot you down at those ranges.

[Staga]

R4/M ATA/ATG rockets:


Fuselage Diameter: 55mm
Length: 812mm
Weight: 3.85 kg.
Fuel Weight: .815kg
Explosive Weight: .520kg
Wing Span: 242mm
Wing Area: N/A
Performance:
Velocity: 525 meters per second
Range: 1500m


Targeting:
Roughly same ballistic qualities as the Mk 108 30mm cannon so the normal Revi gunsight could be used.

Ballistic Information Round Types:
    High Explosive and Anti-tank
Round Weights: N/A
 
 

In December 1944, the highly efficient missile Panzerblitz 1 (Pb 1) system consisting of six and, more often, eight R4M air-to-air missiles. They were adapted for tank destroying by mounting an 80 mm M8 type warhead for an armor penetration of up to 90 mm. Using the Pb 1 unit it was possible to destroy tanks at a 200 m distance. The only limitation was a maximum speed of 490 km/hr, not to be exceeded during missile firing (in a salvo of eight or in pairs). Up to February 1945 the Luftwaffe received 115 Fw 190F-8/Pb 1 planes.  The successor to the Pb 1 unit was the Panzerblitz 2 (Pb 2) unit. The main difference between them was the replacement of the  M8 warhead by a hollow-charge warhead able to penetrate up to 180 mm armor. Also developed was the new missile system Panzerblitz 3 (Pb 3) with a 210 mm hollow-charge warhead, but it was not operational by the end of the war.

http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/67700/r4m.htm



[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 05-15-2001).]

[Staga]

 http://www.ophetweb.nl/ww2w/ww2htmls/fockfw190.html

 

Designated Fw 190F-8 (in stead of Fw 190F-4) to synchronise on the Fw 190A series. Armed with 2 × 0.51 in (13 mm) MG 131 guns in stead of 2 × 0.312 in (7.92 mm) MG 17's. Further features include an improved fuel-injection system, revised radio equipment, provision for 25.3 Imp gal (30.4 US gal; 115 liters) of auxiliary fuel in a 30.4 US gal (25.3 Imp gal; 115 liter) rear-fuselage tank, and a modified bomb-release system capable of dropping of the bombs in a single salvo or a number of ?sticks?.
A lot of Fw 190F-8's could also be fitted with 24 × 2.16 in (55 mm) R4/M rockets, or 14 × 220 lb (100 kg) RBS B/F21 rocket bombs, or two clusters of 3 × 9.84 in (280 mm) WGr.28 rockets, or Panzerblitz anti-tank rockets in 2.16, 3.07 and 5.12 in (55, 78 and 130 mm) calibers, or large numbers of small anti-personnel bomblets

[Octavius]

Yes yes yes!  We need a good LW tank killing plane..  Chog is fun, but LW tankie rockets sounds awesome!

Oct

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by Octavius:
Yes yes yes!  We need a good LW tank killing plane..  Chog is fun, but LW tankie rockets sounds awesome!

Oct

Like kids in a candy store gotta love it.  I am all for it  

[StSanta]

Well, I love firing rockets. Would be nice if we actuallygot some A2G ones  

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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[hazed-]

sorrow where do you get your roadkill info from? If you just make it up post your own fantasy thread and keep out of mine  

They were effective according to every account of their use i could find.Stated effective ranges do vary however.

im in the 'If they had em put em in' camp

 

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Hazed
9./JG54

[MANDOBLE]

Just a consideration. While it is true they where effective only at close ranges, exposing your 190F to the light tank mg, the  frontal and belly armour of 190F should be more than enough to stop these small cal bullets. That is, firing those rockets against panzers at 200 m should not imply a high risk for the 190 pilot. This consideration derivates in a last question: Is 190F armour able to stop small cal guns (in AH)?

[Dowding]

The rockets and bombs used by the Lavochkins need to be added too.

Anyway, everyone knows that the best jabo plane of the war was the Tiffie.  

But if the LW had rockets then I guess they should have them. But I still think the Stuka should be added.  

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by Dowding:
The rockets and bombs used by the Lavochkins need to be added too.

Anyway, everyone knows that the best jabo plane of the war was the Tiffie.  

But if the LW had rockets then I guess they should have them. But I still think the Stuka should be added.  

Hijack?  Where?  Here?  Never, good thing we are still talking about the LW rockets right?  Ok good whoo close one.  Funked I have some books on these so called rockets.  WIll dig up the info, and yes it does  matter which version was being used as far as range is concerned.  Accuracy was a problem that did plague it, even the ground fired panzerschreck was not very accurate, "read a report 3 out of 10 hit the target".  Granted when those 3 hit they would kill all but the strongest Russian tanks.  

Was very interesting to read about the fausts being used in house to house fighting as well "side note".  AS a test see if you can shoot a bomber down from the 6 position with the 21cm's we have now.  Notice the huge drop in alttitude they suffer.  From what I read flight deviation was around 100 feet for every 1000 feet.  Or around there      

[funked]

I have posted about these rockets many times.  They were short-ranged and inaccurate.  But I'm certain we could still make use of them.  And it looks like at least 115 Fw 190F-8 were specially built at the factory for rocket-firing duty.

Mandoble, I doubt the AH F-8 has the extra armor that was used on some F-8's.  From my readings it seems that this was only used on the first few F-8's built, and was then abandoned because the plane was too heavy.  And the real "White 7" did not carry the extra armor.

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 05-16-2001).]

[AG Sachsenberg]

Actually after reading the F-8 armoring was not all that significant.  If you do remember the A-8's had a belt of armor on the bottom of the fuselage to protect against bomber gunners when they broke off there attacks from the 6.  It has been along time since I have read that, and it might only apply to the Sturm unit.  The rockets would be a plus for now if you fire well you got to be dead on ot there useless.  

Surprised HTC has let this go on as long as it has.  Adding useless weapons that are not used makes me wonder why add them?  Fix them and they will become usefull.  R4M would be very nice to have  

[Graywolf]

 

Originally posted by Sorrow[S=A]:
Those rockets are just field infantry style Panzershrek with slightly larger rocket motors. Their effective range was in th 120-200M range

Interestingly, from what I've read, the range at which the Typhoon rockets gained there maximum speed (and hence were supposed to be most effective) was 2,200 yds in a 45 degree dive. Certainly not usuable that that range in Aces High...




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Graywolfe <tim@flibble.org>

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by Graywolf:
Interestingly, from what I've read, the range at which the Typhoon rockets gained there maximum speed (and hence were supposed to be most effective) was 2,200 yds in a 45 degree dive. Certainly not usuable that that range in Aces High...

Same with 5 inch HVAR's they hit max speed at some 1 mile from launch.  According to pilots they were hard to aim and hit anything with a small profile.