J2M3 Raiden

[LLogann]

The term JAP is certainly more "pc" then bombing a Navy base on an early Sunday morning.  F the Japs.

QUOTE ME, BAN ME, I don't care.  And if some Jap has issue with that............I have issue with you before I said it.  So does my dead uncle.  F them.

It's not PC and considered derogatory nowadays.

And Jap isn't even that negative unless you're a shallow underachiever.  NIP, on the other hand..............

[Karnak]

LLogan,

<S> to your uncle and I thank him for his service.


That said, you are seriously out of line in your thinking.  It is a slur.  This is not up for dispute.  It has been and still is used as a slur.  The Japanese that attacked Pearl and those that killed your uncle are not the Japanese that play this game and never were the Americans of Japanese ancestry to whom the slur is usually directed.

[LLogann]

Bad Day Karnak.........  You are right sir. 

But you are all allowed to call me a Krut, Mick, Guinea any time you want as that doesn't offend me.  Sicilian, German, Irish I am.

Does anybody remember "sticks and stones?"  Seems these days names do hurt people more then the sticks and the stones............  That is truly sad.

LLogan,

<S> to your uncle and I thank him for his service.


That said, you are seriously out of line in your thinking.  It is a slur.  This is not up for dispute.  It has been and still is used as a slur.  The Japanese that attacked Pearl and those that killed your uncle are not the Japanese that play this game and never were the Americans of Japanese ancestry to whom the slur is usually directed.

[Karnak]

I wouldn't call you those things and would take anybody to task for doing so.  Some things are ok, Brit for example is used as an affectionate slang term for British people.  We have had Japanese players request that the term not be used.  In the end it is up to you, no doubt about that, I just think being polite is not unreasonable.  And no, I don't try to get people banned over this stuff.

I am an American, which means a mutt pretty much.  My ancestors were Finnish, German, English and maybe some French.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Bad Day Karnak.........  You are right sir. 

But you are all allowed to call me a Krut, Mick, Guinea any time you want as that doesn't offend me.  Sicilian, German, Irish I am.

Does anybody remember "sticks and stones?"  Seems these days names do hurt people more then the sticks and the stones............  That is truly sad.

Agreed, Karnak's argument might hold water were it not for the flagrant double standard. True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist. Likewise, I challenge you to find me a modern AfAm victim of slavery - or, indeed, any systematic racism.

As I say, slurs regarding the Anglo-Irish ethnicity are considered tolerable, generally. Anyone get all up in arms about the names Mick or Limey or WASP?

But then, there's no grievance money in getting all bent about that. OTOH, if you're of a different ethnicity, there is a significant market in being aggrieved. It's a market that was created in US Civil Court and by the system of Federal purchasing and guidelines. Indeed, even here at FoMoCo, we follow certain guidelines w/r allocating purchasing contracts to minority/women owned companies. That's not exactly grievance market, but many civil cases are.

And I'm a loony.

Nope. Sorry. There's a whole world out here of which you are blithely unaware, apparently.

[LLogann]

5 are still alive. 3 from Hiryu, 1 from Soryu, 1 from Kaga

True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist.

Although I do hold a grudge.... This is certainly not the place for it and I do respect present day Japanese folk..........  In game though, I can't help but be in a WWII frame of mind.  I do not fly Japanese aircraft unless it is FSO.  I will go after the niki before the 109.  Rook and Knit cv's all show a Rising Sun on their decks in my eyes. 

[PJ_Godzilla]

Son of a Bish...

My GF was a Naval Commander ( a surgeon, though, not a combatant, per se) in the SoPac. He knew MacArthur. He took a sword, somewhere (I think Tarawa), from a dead Japanese officer. He also saw a friend vaporized by a mortar shell. He didn't hate the Japanese either - though I'm sure he hated that war and those that made it happen.

I sort of figured it karma, then, that my Dad (he was a USAF Captain, but a dentist) and Mom lived in Japan - and had a daughter there - from '58-61. Completing the circle, I married a Japanese woman (from Tokyo, naturally).

I totally understand your position. I don't think it racist at all to use the term. In deference to a friend, I might refrain, though. Perhaps we give the Zeke jock a break if he finds it hurtful. That's where I'm at. There's, imj, no serious moral implication to using the term and no associated liability.

[Karnak]

Agreed, Karnak's argument might hold water were it not for the flagrant double standard. True, the Japanese that bombed PH no longer exist. Likewise, I challenge you to find me a modern AfAm victim of slavery - or, indeed, any systematic racism.

It is a very complicated subject.  This really isn't the place to discuss it, but I will simply say it is a matter of being polite.  If Japanese people have said it is offensive to them, then out of politeness if nothing else, we shouldn't use it.  Nor should we use derogatory terms for Irish, Germans or anybody else.  Just to be polite.

[PJ_Godzilla]

It is a very complicated subject.  This really isn't the place to discuss it, but I will simply say it is a matter of being polite.  If Japanese people have said it is offensive to them, then out of politeness if nothing else, we shouldn't use it.  Nor should we use derogatory terms for Irish, Germans or anybody else.  Just to be polite.

Agreed on the last point - and as in my former post - it's the same reason I won't call an old guy a geezer if he doesn't like it.

[Bubbajj]

I would be far more upset with someone calling me a Liberal than a Kraut or a Mick or a whatever ( im a bit of each ). It's odd you mention racial commentaries and how it's always been OK to slam Whites. However, that "HONKY" thing never did catch on.

Anyway, I'd love to see more "Asian Style" aircraft. But I'd like to see more Wo.... er Italian aircraft too. 

[shifty95]

5 are still alive. 3 from Hiryu, 1 from Soryu, 1 from Kaga

Although I do hold a grudge.... This is certainly not the place for it and I do respect present day Japanese folk..........  In game though, I can't help but be in a WWII frame of mind.  I do not fly Japanese aircraft unless it is FSO.  I will go after the niki before the 109.  Rook and Knit cv's all show a Rising Sun on their decks in my eyes. 

for me, the decks of enemy cv's have a giant rook on it. but i get what your saying. i hate going after american aircraft, and i would rather kill a zero than a 190. but thats just because the zero is more dangerous in a dogfight, and easier to kill. Thank you, poor japanesse engineering!