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Offline nub001

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new type of round
« on: September 10, 2009, 06:59:16 PM »
i think its time we get a new round to the game. the APDS (Armor Piercing Discarding Sabot )round for the firefly for INCREASED penetration look at difference between the ap and apds rounds
at 2000 m the ap round can penetrate 79mm armor at 30 degrees the apds can pierce 151mm 30 degree armor at 2000 m difference? yes look its harder to kill tigers and t34s at longer ranges   people love to long range in fireflys and they deserve apds rounds to penetrate alot more armor this round was produced in 1941 for the 6 pounder and 17 pounder guns any ways heres more penetration data for ap and apds rounds the ap round pierces: 161mm armor at 100m 138mm at 500 115mm at 1000m 95mm at 1500m 79mm at 2000m heres the apds data:
221mm at 100m 204mm at 500m 185mm at 1000m 167mm at 1500m 151mm at 2000m and these were recorded on 30 degree angle armor if u need help understanding please ask so i can tell u in a better understanding way and also the velocity of the round is 1284 m/s and the weight is 3.71kg

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 07:09:05 PM »
On paper the APDS could counter almost and German tank at any likely range but the performance in real life situations was rather different than on paper.  Early APDS productions rounds had accuracy issues and being a sub-calibre shot, actual penetrating shot was approximately 50 mm wide.  This resulted in reduced destructive power after it penetrated enemy tank armor compared to the 76.2 mm APCBC shell.  In addition, APDS rounds were rare with very little being available for combat use until late 1944.


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Re: new type of round
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 08:14:16 PM »
On paper the APDS could counter almost and German tank at any likely range but the performance in real life situations was rather different than on paper.  Early APDS productions rounds had accuracy issues and being a sub-calibre shot, actual penetrating shot was approximately 50 mm wide.  This resulted in reduced destructive power after it penetrated enemy tank armor compared to the 76.2 mm APCBC shell.  In addition, APDS rounds were rare with very little being available for combat use until late 1944.


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  how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 08:33:09 PM »
  how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie
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Re: new type of round
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 09:05:15 PM »
 how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie

Because I am far more intelligent than you are and able to conduct research, something that you apparently find difficult to do.  Second, if you are prepared to suggest something then you should also be prepared for counter-arguments and then be able to counter those arguments without resorting to what basically amounts to a 5 year old temper tantrum.

Now, back to your orginal argument for adding the APDS round and why it should not be added to the game.  

First off, like I mentioned in my earlier post, it was a rare ammo type used.  The first demonstration of the round when US and British watched a live fire demonstration in August of 1944 (Isigny trials) against captured Panther tanks.  Early batches were considered sub-standard and their performance was better on paper than real life and compared to the APCBC round, the APDS was very inaccurate, especially at long ranges.

The APDS became available for combat use in September of 1944 in small quantities and the majority of the APDS rounds went to Royal Artillery Anti-Tank Regiments.  Reports also showed that tank crews that were supplied with the APDS (if a tank carried them, it was no more than 5 to 10 rounds) often wasted them on targets that the APCBC round would have destroyed in a single round.  Against the Panther frontal armor, the APDS effectiveness was minimul due to the sloped armor of the Panther, which was confirmed at the trials at Isigny in August of 1944.  

Basically, the APDS would not bring anything new to the game nor make it any more effective than the current AP round that are used by the Firefly in this game.

School is dismissed.


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Re: new type of round
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2009, 02:49:53 AM »









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Re: new type of round
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2009, 03:44:43 AM »
It's going to be fun having nub001 around on the board!  :rofl

Next he'll be asking for the P-80 shooting star because "i say teh shotin star wuz usd alot in wwii so we liek ned it it wuz usd frum 1939 to 1956 by the us n cud go 800mph thats mach 3 or sumtin i no all this cuz i just mad it up!!!111eleventyone"

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 01:18:58 PM »
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Re: new type of round
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 01:32:48 PM »
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Re: new type of round
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2009, 02:07:05 PM »
  how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds look if through 1941 - 1944 i think they werent rare at all production that long non stop im pretty sure it was used alot if u getting from wiki and most other sources they lie

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2009, 02:18:46 PM »
  how would u no dude u werent in world war 2 in a firefly shooting apds
and U wer? gawd.


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Re: new type of round
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2009, 04:19:54 PM »
See Rule #4
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 01:01:29 PM by Skuzzy »

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2009, 04:24:37 PM »
See Rule #6
« Last Edit: September 14, 2009, 01:00:55 PM by Skuzzy »

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Re: new type of round
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2009, 04:32:07 PM »
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Re: new type of round
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2009, 04:39:03 PM »
well i guess ur annoying look u sound like a anti christ

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