At this rate, I may have to cancel my account.

[StSanta]

<watches Wardog throw gasoline on fire>

LOL man, you're a gem  

Karnak, use .squelch 1. I do it all the time   . That and one of Ripsnort's responses. "I don't see your CC number on my Aces High bill  so STFU"

 

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[gatt]

Karnak,
the Spitfire IX is a beautiful fighter. Fast enuff, excellent climb rate, heavy punch (Hispanos are great cannons), good range with ext fuel tank. Very dangerous when used with Hit&Climb techniques, she performs very well in furballs. Get a wingie and go hunting with good alt.

I fly almost only the C.205V and when I meet a Spitfire I know I'll have a tuff fite. When you hear something about Sissy or popsicle-fires, laugh at it. Laugh at me (becouse I hate Spitfires  ) and at the others. In the same way I do when I read about spaghetti-fighter or something worse  

And no, not all axis-fiter pilots are evil  

[Dinger]

Hehe. Nancy boy, barbiefire, sissyfire, spitdweeb;
You need a thick skin to play this game.  Folks are always gonna squeak about your ride of choice, especially if you shoot them down in it.  And at heart, many people hate the spit because it's great fun to have an angle fight swirling through 20,000 feet of altitude, ending on the deck, stall horn blaring, using every single trick in the book.
It's just those damn spits retain E so well that if a fight becomes "personal", they lose, and they whine about the non-pilot flying a sissyfire.  If they kill you, they can gloat about having taken one more spitdweeb out of the market, making their kill extra Worthy as they removed an undesirable.  If they get killed, well, it's supposed to happen because the Spit has an anti-gravity device and overmodelled cannons shooting lethal beach balls, so it doesn't hurt so bad.
The only current planes in the set which, as fighters, will not earn you scorn are, IMHO:

c.202 Folgore
Typhoon IB
F4U-1D
and maybe the zeke.
Fly anything else, and expect to be taunted.

[LLv34_Camouflage]

Karnak, regarding your roots, why not try the G-2?  

Tsemppiä,

Camo



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"The really good pilots use their superior judgement to keep them out of situations
where they might be required to demonstrate their superior skill."

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Sorry Westy, I don't fly Nazi aircraft.  That is just something I've never been able to separate.  I don't think that many of those who fly German aircraft have Nazi sympathies, although I have met some in real life.  I just can't separate the two and be comfortable.  Thats why they need to put in a good Allied angle fighter (I'm Finnish extract so Russian fighters don't really work for me either).  We NEED, or at least I NEED, the Spitfire MkXIV.

Sisu
-Karnak

Theres Bf109G-2 remember, with FAF markings  
and in flight simulators, its not the party, its the plane.

Besides, I've made 100 kills and died twice in Spit 9. (and I like mostly Fw190 and Bf109 series)

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Wardog:


2nd most runner is the FW190, if it doenst go for the HO he will run till outa fuel.

Have a nice day  
............

..................said by a P51 guy.

Wardog you never fighted me in a 190 isnt it?.. I NEVER headon unless being in a 3-1 odds and I NEVER run unless I am in complete hopeless situation.

You P51 runstang drivers ALL run. EVERY ONE OF YOU.
(did you like that? isnt true is it?...ok now you understand why I feel disgusted when you put ALL the 190 drivers in the same pocket).

dont generalize, Wardog. And less being, as you are, a p51 driver.

[Swager]

I thought Easymo was talkin about the Mustang!?!

But Wardog is right to some extent,  I'll run like a SOB in a G-10 if I'm in trouble.  

[Sparks]

Karnak,
I know where you're coming from - I really do - look at my stats for this tour and the last and you'll see I die 95% of the time and I fly almost exclusively Spit IX.
However I'm not going to quit or pack up flying the Spit because I believe when I've learn't how to fly it properly I'll have the advantage over most. And that is the point here - I KNOW I fly it badly and I know that 90% of my losses are my fault due to poor SA, gunnery, handling, wrong colour socks ...whatever. I used to think I did OKish and that most of it was due to meeting better performing a/c but since I started training with Sharky I've realised how bad I really am - now I'm absolutely focused on learning to fly and use the Spit to it's best. So that's my next point - from the tone of your post I don't think you'll change your K/D ratio without help and I would suggest arranging some good training with someone - I found it as enjoyable as MA flying and gave me a whole new set of concepts to consider. Essentially what I've been taught is that you have to work the oppo into fighting on your terms not theirs. So... if you meet a pure B&Z'r then you have to sucker them into turning - if they are smart then they won't but if you're good enough you should be able to defend to a point where they have to break off or fight on your terms- basically whoever makes the first mistake looses and that's why I die so quick - I make the mistakes early.
Hang in there and I think it would all come good.
If you are ever online and I'm around give me a call and we'll wing together - I can't teach you anything but maybe we can watch each others back.
Sparks

[Spatula]

Karnak,

Whether ya stay or not is up to you, but if you think the spit is not a good aircraft then i have to dissagree. Take a look at Mitsu's score. He has just been nudged out of the number 1 slot on the ranks and he (till 1.03) flies spitfire mk 9 - and he started the tour halfway through.

People tend to scorn other planes that either fustrate them or get the better of them. People who moan the spit is a wimps plane, or whatever, are the people who are fustrated by its ability to fight or they just plain get beaten by them.

Im sure you know this, but you have to identify what your 'ride' does well and exploit that, and shy away from things it does poorly. For example im tired of people yelling 'runstang... ya de ya de ya, moan, moan, moan' all because a stang has the ability to disengage near at will. If your losing the fight why push it and get killed? Why not disengage. They yell at ya only cause they cant - cracks me up. It may well be a cowardly action, but if its the only option left (next to dying) then its plain sensible.

Fly your spitfire with pride, as all the valiant pilots of the 2nd world war did and kick some bellybutton in it. (please dont take this as meaning people who didn't fly spits in ww2 were not valiant - thats just pathetic nit-picking and is in no way implied).

BTW, the spit 14 would be a very nice addition (i can hear the moans allready).

Spat.

[Duckwing6]

Ahhwwwww.. how poor you are Angles fighters... Sooooo Outclassed

Give me a break !

Spits Climb excellent, they are fast, the accelerate like a greased lightning, they got cannons, they can turn on a dime and loop almost forever..

What the heck are you complaining about ? That F4U'sonly attack you from above ? What do you expect when the only advantage he has is top speed but the rest of the aces arein your hand...

 

[DoctorYO]

Well its unforntunate you get so razzled by simple text....

I like to say this to settle your claim that Fw190's and Bf109g10 pilots wouldn't be able to keep their K/D up...  Last camp I was undefeated in the spitfire.(Some tank blew me up on runway though if you call that a victory.)

Personally I think its way easy to be dominant in that plane.  Don't get me wrong other aircraft fit into the same genre..(p38, Niki,) Not the cannon hog though..  yes the Chog is extremely dweeby but its no super plane..  I love smoking hogs in my 1942 109f4 they think they e bleed and out radii me hahah they get smoked quick with my pee shooter gun package.(very happy fuzzy feeling killin them too.)

I would say the best planes in the arena to get kills in my opinion would be p38, spit, niki, in that order...  those 3 planes can handle almost any situation thrown at them in the MA... (granted 3-4 on 1 gang bang is a bit  much..  but 2 on 1's these planes can do on a regular basis. and come out on top..)

I would also like to point out that the Late war spitfires are energy fighters not turn and burners...  If you fly you dweebfire(sorry spitfire) above 250mph nothing can touch you...  just my 2 cents...  Fly the Spit like a 109 using e tactics and you should dominate.


Flame on..

DoctorYO

[Wanker]

Karnak,

Sounds like you need an RAF(Polish) squad to join. I happen to know one that makes flying a Spitfire very survivable.

Surviving is much easier when you have a squadron to fly with and help protect you. And since we fly the Spitfire almost exclusively, you'll always be in good company.

FunkedUp, let's grab this boy!  

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[Badger]

Hi karnak...

I haven't been able to hit the hanger in the last few weeks of flying any type of plane.  I even miss chutes.  

Frustrated, I took out a Panzer IV on the first day v1.03 was released.  I snuck up on the Bishops (new 1.5k vis range is great!!!) at Field 13 and managed a 10 kill sortie, including 2 other panzers, an m16 and the balance were planes trying to strafe me.

So, I guess what I'm saying is try something completely different to what you're doing now and see what happens before you call it a day.

<Salute>

Regards,
Badger

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[Graywolf]

It's very hard to use and angles type of approach agains and energy fighter. You can evade, but it is very hard to attack.

This is why as world war II progressed the emphasis waz places on making planes flight higher, faster, dive better, climb better, not turn well.

The Spitfire IX is a very good energy flighter, if you fly it gently it keeps its energy very well. If you haul it around the sky with the stall horn blaring you're going to be in trouble just as much as you would in any plane.

I think part of the reason that Spitfires geta hard time is because of the number of new guys that fly thme (when someone pops up and asks what is a good plane for a beinner the answer is usually Spitfire or P38.

I have a kills per death of around 1 usually, it's nearer 2 in Spitfire vs Spitfire, I think that tells a lot.

For what it's worth the Spitfire XIV won't help you, it's much more of an energy fighter than the V or IX. It has awesome speed and climb, but is heavier and has some really nasty low speed handling traits.

I've flew the Spitfire V almost exclusively last tour and the Spitfire IX exclusively this tour. Not sure what to fly next tour, likely it'll be either the Yak 9U or one of the Bf109s.

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[ra]

I never thought I'd see the day when people felt they had to post: 'no really, the Spit IX ain't that bad a plane...'.  This must be a sign that the Endtime is here.

ra