Author Topic: Need Stuff for Eastern Front Scenario (Read 1161 times)

funked · « **on:** November 20, 2000, 08:58:00 AM »

I know it's going to be a while until HTC can work on this kind of thing, but if we get the following (along with a nice snow-covered terrain) we could have a great Ostfront scenario:

Must Have:
Il-2
Ju 87G
T-34

Would be Nice:
Pe-2
Fw 190F/G
Yak-9 or Yak-9D

brady · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2000, 09:14:00 AM »

yup...cc

Brady

Gadfly · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2000, 02:43:00 PM »

Funked, did you see the Eastern Front Setup we ran a couple of weeks ago? While those planes you named would indeed be yummy, you left some out.

http://lizking.com/war.htm

Lizking

funked · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2000, 08:14:00 PM »

Gadfly there are only two Soviet planes on that list and neither carries ordnance. I don't see any tanks either.

I'm not a big fan of subtitutions. I do like lend-lease variants but these had a secondary role to domestically produced aircraft. And for a combined arms battle we need to have some tactical bombers / attack aircraft. Hence my list.

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Ghosth · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2000, 11:47:00 PM »

Agreed funked, would love to see all of the above.

Hmmmm maybe if we cloned the staff at HTC we could have them working 24 hours a day?

juzz · « **Reply #5 on:** November 21, 2000, 04:25:00 AM »

"The Il-2 aircraft are neccessary for our Red Army now, like air, like bread."

Soviet Combat Aircraft of the Second World War, Vol. 2

Btw: there is no such thing as a tactical bomber, only targets.

Sancho · « **Reply #6 on:** November 21, 2000, 10:03:00 AM »

The Il-2 should be the *next* plane modeled after the hellkitty and tbf!

Gadfly · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2000, 04:55:00 PM »

Yo Funked, the only sub on that list is the ki61 for the Macchi, which was an option the Axis CO could use or not.

Believe it or not, I researched that scenario very heavily. All of those planes where there, in action, at that time. The Macchi was not, but was in theatre and could have been used.

If we had tanks, I would have included the 87g, but it is too easy to kill bridges with it so I left it out.

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2000, 05:50:00 PM »

We also need a Brewster for east front scenarios.

Camo

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funked · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2000, 03:25:00 AM »

Come on King, we both know that list is not representative of what they were actually flying. Sure there were a few of those lend lease birds about, but the bulk of VVS strength was domestically-produced aircraft.

And I'm not sure how any of your comments relate to the topic of this thread. Are you proposing that HTC model a bunch of lend-lease aircraft instead of modeling Soviet aircraft?

Dowding · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2000, 04:45:00 AM »

I was thinking about this the other day Funked - I'd love to be in an La-5 in a 'Great Patriotic War' Scenario.

There would be little point in running the scenario without the types that were the most numerous in the theatre, so that would include the planes/tanks you mention. For that reason, I don't think we'll see it until maybe 1.06.

It would be great to see the T-34, Il-2 and Ju-87 in here.

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2000, 09:09:00 AM »

One aircraft that has been overlooked,the I-16(aka the"RAT",or Mosca[fly]),was a prominent figure in the early war and served, long into the war. This plane would be fun to fly as it was highly maneuverable,it also carried a useful ground attack loadout:

I-16 tip-24:
4 ShKAS
2 ShVAK
6 RS-82 rockets
or 2 FAB-250 bombs(250kg ea.)
reflector sight
radio
Oxygen
max speed in the 300mph range
source: the osprey encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft,by Bill Gunston

Brady

Gadfly · « **Reply #12 on:** November 22, 2000, 09:18:00 AM »

Well, with limited resources to build new planes, it only makes sense to make planes that can have widespread use.

Ask the Russians if those lend lease planes didn't save their bacon.

Also, when designing scenarios, instead of substituting planes, I prefer to concentrate on the aspects of the combat that we DO have planes to utilize. In other words, the objectives of the scenario will reflect the actual combat use of the available planes. Actual events that can not be accurately simulated using available planes are left out.

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funked · « **Reply #13 on:** November 22, 2000, 10:28:00 AM »

I agree Gadfly. Don't get me wrong - I love the lend-lease planes. I would really dig flying an A-20, B-25, or P-63 with red stars.

But Il-2 is the most produced aircraft in history and the most important aircraft on the Ostfront. Gotta have it.

T-34 is likewise a no-brainer.

Ju 87G had pretty limited use but I think you'll agree that the Ju 87 series in general is important to most scenarios involving the Luftwaffe 1939-1944.

Fw 190F/G is a piece of cake to make from the A-5 or A-8.

Likewise the Yak-9D is easy to do.

Pe-2 could be replaced by lend-lease planes though.

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juzz · « **Reply #14 on:** November 22, 2000, 04:30:00 PM »

No, No, No!

Which lend-lease bomber performs like the Pe-2, and had over 10,000 delivered? The Pe-2 is THE most important VVS level bomber.