Eric Hartmann was a HO'er...

[JunkyII]

If you are argueing with Steve right now your wrong

[Wreked]

If you are argueing with Steve right now your wrong

Ya - i know - had a girlfriend with an attitude like him once!  For a very short time thank god. If you were right you were still wrong - no discussion. LOL

I'll just go with Dick Bong and Hartmann and the rest of the RL pilots and let this cartoon guy play in his own lil 'ol sandbox. Hope he remembers to keep it clean and leave the rest of us alone.

These guys haven't changed in 23+ years about the HO..Their way is the only way. Had my fill with em! <shrug>


...cheers eh!

[Steve]

These guys haven't changed in 23+ years about the HO..Their way is the only way. Had my fill with em! <shrug>

People have been telling him the same thing for 23 years and he still doesn't get it.     

Wreked, you take the cake in self-embarrassment. I remember killing your BnZ'ing a8 a couple times a few days ago. Killing tards is more pleasurable than killing your average MA stick.  The fact that you're an easy kill makes your ignorance a little more palatable.   

[JunkyII]

Ya - i know - had a girlfriend with an attitude like him once!  For a very short time thank god. If you were right you were still wrong - no discussion. LOL

I'll just go with Dick Bong and Hartmann and the rest of the RL pilots and let this cartoon guy play in his own lil 'ol sandbox. Hope he remembers to keep it clean and leave the rest of us alone.

These guys haven't changed in 23+ years about the HO..Their way is the only way. Had my fill with em! <shrug>


...cheers eh!

Frown.........

[BlauK]

Here's the definition of a Head On shot:   A merge where both aircraft have the opportunity for a gun solution.

Shot is not a merge and merge is not a shot .

HO shots can happen in a merge, HO merge can happen without shots, HO shots can happen also happen much later in the engagement, not only in the merge, or the planes can fly that later HO pass without any shots fired.

So, even though the above "community truth" is on the right track, it seems to be a bit faulty and also kinda narrow definition of "HO", doesn't it.

[JunkyII]

I dont agree, I consider planes on my six to be merging in alot of cases since I know Im not in any danger and actually pulling them in to get a shot.

[BlauK]

Junky, how does that relate to this discussion? I thought this was about HO, HO shots, HO merges, HO passes.... not about merging or engaging from behind.

[Wreked]

Stevie - I'll be the 1st to say I'm the worlds worst shot and my plane keeps falling out of the air reguarily - AND I keep finding it fun - unlike you who seems to get a kick out of insulting people and "my way is the only way" attitude. <shrug>  That's your style and you're welcome to it sir. What ever rocks your boat Jack - I guess you have to ask me if I really give 2 flying futons about anything you think.  Heard it all before.

As anyone with 2 ounces of brain power can see there are a multitude of opinions right here and in other threads regarding HO's - what they consist of and what is proper/improper about them. 

So knowing that you will always attempt to have the last word; this will be my last address to you regarding your attitude.

Like I said....leading donkeys....! <sigh>

...and to everyone else..
...cheers eh!

[Steve]

Shot is not a merge and merge is not a shot .

HO shots can happen in a merge, HO merge can happen without shots, HO shots can happen also happen much later in the engagement, not only in the merge,

There can be mre than one merge in an engagement. any time you are nose to nose where both parties can have a gun solution, you have the possibility of a HO shot. pick nits if you wish.

[Steve]

- AND I keep finding it fun - unlike you who seems to get a kick out of insulting people ... a bunch of mindless drivel

Actually, you started with the insults. 23 ye4ars and you still don't get it.   

You gave up on me, remember. You can't help but keep coming back for more.

[Soulyss]

So, even though the above "community truth" is on the right track, it seems to be a bit faulty and also kinda narrow definition of "HO", doesn't it.

It is somewhat of a narrow definition but I think it is narrow by necessity.  If you think about it how else can a head on attack by accurately defined?  And a definition is at times necessary, consider duels for example where Head-Ons are part of the rules.  A narrow definition like "both planes must be able to take the shot" is far easier to go by to determine if someone committed a head on attack than anything else.  Consider the alternatives, a head on is ten degrees off the nose, fifteen?  That is much more subjective and harder to classify.

[BlauK]

The more exact a definition is the better it is. I was referring to how Steve defined "HO" without having words like "shot", "pass", "merge" or like you are using "attack" attached to it. IMO, those add some variety to the definition. What does "attack" mean to you in regard to HO? Does it always include shots fired or is it more like engaging with an intent to shoot?

To Steve,
If you say there can be several merges in an engagement, then you have to define what you consider an engagement
IMO, one needs to disengage to be able to re-enagage with a new merge. I would call that another engagement. Number of engagements does not depend on number of HO possibilities. It is pretty much semiotics, but how can we argue about anythig if words have a different meaning to different people, or if some want to twist the meaning to serve their agendas.

[LLogann]

So....


If I'm understanding all of you guys right......


Eric was only a ho'er when he had to ho?   

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[JunkyII]

Junky, how does that relate to this discussion? I thought this was about HO, HO shots, HO merges, HO passes.... not about merging or engaging from behind.

Im saying what I think a "Merge" can be

[BlauK]

LLogan
That just about concludes it all.